STOP Genderlocking Cosmetics!!

[Amnmaat]

If you're free to disagree with people, people are just as free to disagree with you. No contradiction here. Also I don't hate it, don't see myself saying so in my post and would be glad if people won't put words and meanings I didn't say and mean in my mouth, thank you very much.

People want more masculine options, even if there're enough of them? Ask for them. People want to have more feminine options, even if there're enough of them? Ask for them. It's simple as that. Everything else can be, and will be, decided by developers, not us, no matter how many pages people argue with each other over nothing.



In comparison as well. I'm not from the West, so what I see as masculine may, and likely does, vary from your views. That said, can there be more options to appeal to both parties? Yes. Should there be more options to appeal for both parties? Also yes. What can we do as players? Asking for those options to be included. Everything else falls into DevTeam's hands.

The dev team isn't here to decide; this is what the purpose of a forum is, to discuss. Hiding behind the devs when you don't like the disagreements doesn't look that great on your part. On the contrary, I invite you to tell us why you think it's very important for them to make male characters wear female clothes when they're still working on male viera, female hrothgar, hairstyles for both races, as well as hats/helmets for them, on top of texture update.

To say less of the fact that requesting female clothes on male characters would by standards require male clothes on females. Doubling the amount of development time required to make a lot of these FFXIV store and possibly level 1 clothes.

Case in point, because most of your posts have had a questionable attitude towards people who disagreed with you rather than the actual topic at hand.

Examples? You will find none.
Just because you say it doesn't make it true.

[ZedxKayn]

Examples? You will find none.

Literally look at your last two posts.

Just because you say it doesn't make it true.

Convenient way to brush off criticism, but this is going too far off topic and I won't entertain someone who overuses strawman arguments any further.

[ilzee]

I want to also add my voice to the request to make outfits not gender locked. We know it's perfectly doable, and you could easily have a button to change which version of the outfit is being used, or whatever else fits the FF14 engine.

I play a transgender character, I want to do that without just using a female model, and I'm left struggling to put together outfits. I thought that this would have been made more available given the wedding outfits and statements from YoshiP, but alas, you keep releasing items that look different on male/female models and there is no way to use the opposite sex's outfits, except a handful of universal items.

[Amnmaat]

Literally look at your last two posts.

Convenient way to brush off criticism, but this is going too far off topic and I won't entertain someone who overuses strawman arguments any further.

The irony in this statement is laughable; I never accused you if doing anything that I couldn't prove. But you accuse me of something that you can't prove and you're talking about strawman arguments? This is why no one takes wanting to see males in dress seriously.

[Halivel]

The dev team isn't here to decide; this is what the purpose of a forum is, to discuss. Hiding behind the devs when you don't like the disagreements doesn't look that great on your part. On the contrary, I invite you to tell us why you think it's very important for them to make male characters wear female clothes when they're still working on male viera, female hrothgar, hairstyles for both races, as well as hats/helmets for them, on top of texture update.

To say less of the fact that requesting female clothes on male characters would by standards require male clothes on females. Doubling the amount of development time required to make a lot of these FFXIV store and possibly level 1 clothes.

And where do I personally state that they should put current workload aside and start removing genderlocks immediately because somebody asked to? I never did, and wasn't even going to.

Is it very important? Probably not. Would it be good to have, if they ever the time to do this work? Yes, for those who need this addition, just as it will be good to have stubble or beards for those who need them (mentioning these because they're the most recent request I can think of). Just because some glamour option is going to be used by a fraction of playerbase doesn't mean it's wasteful - an absolute majority of glamour options is used by a fraction of playerbase anyway. Wheretver developers can work on these requests at all or when is another question. It's obvious they should prioritize work they have at hands first. Doesn't mean that people can't or shouldn't ask for something for future.

[Xhanth]

EDIT: Disappointed, but not surprised at the level of homophobia/transphobia, hate and apathy directed towards gender non-conforming people wanting to be able to have options in this game. A sad world.
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Although I agree with you that this should be something on their radar, using the go-to extortion of "company is an x-phobe if their top priority isn't x" isn't going to work on a Japanese company.

[Amnmaat]

And where do I personally state that they should put current workload aside and start removing genderlocks immediately because somebody asked to? I never did, and wasn't even going to.

Is it very important? Probably not. Would it be good to have, if they ever the time to do this work? Yes, for those who need this addition, just as it will be good to have stubble or beards for those who need them (mentioning these because they're the most recent request I can think of). Just because some glamour option is going to be used by a fraction of playerbase doesn't mean it's wasteful - an absolute majority of glamour options is used by a fraction of playerbase anyway. Wheretver developers can work on these requests at all or when is another question. It's obvious they should prioritize work they have at hands first. Doesn't mean that people can't or shouldn't ask for something for future.

I never said you said you immediately, I invited you to explain. Letting male characters wear female clothes and female characters wear male clothes doubles their workload per glamour set and conflicts with male viera, female hrothgar, viera and hrothgar hats/helmets, HD textures, stubble, etc. Adding something new to the project pipeline adds to the work and resources needed to complete these projects.

Let me tell you a secret about Project Management. Every time you add a new feature you're adding extra hours and resources needed for said projects. Good luck "finding time" when they've stated they're hitting the limit of how stressed their 3D artists are in terms of workload.

[Kozh]

I want to also add my voice to the request to make outfits not gender locked. We know it's perfectly doable, and you could easily have a button to change which version of the outfit is being used, or whatever else fits the FF14 engine.

I play a transgender character, I want to do that without just using a female model, and I'm left struggling to put together outfits. I thought that this would have been made more available given the wedding outfits and statements from YoshiP, but alas, you keep releasing items that look different on male/female models and there is no way to use the opposite sex's outfits, except a handful of universal items.

It's... Not that easy. Making them not gender locked means they have to re-fit the outfit for the male/female model.

And tbh that "handful" statement is such an overstatement. Raid gear, tome gear, dungeon gear, Bozja gear, they all are universal iirc (except for some minor changes for zadnor gear).

[Halivel]

I never said you said you immediately, I invited you to explain. Letting male characters wear female clothes and female characters wear male clothes doubles their workload per glamour set and conflicts with male viera, female hrothgar, viera and hrothgar hats/helmets, HD textures, stubble, etc. Adding something new to the project pipeline adds to the work and resources needed to complete these projects.

Let me tell you a secret about Project Management. Every time you add a new feature you're adding extra hours and resources needed for said projects. Good luck "finding time" when they've stated they're hitting the limit of how stressed their 3D artists are in terms of workload.

Thank you, I work in a team that supports production software, I know how it works. We're dealing with very same issue regarding shortage in hands and increasing workload right at this moment.

I didn't say "Wheretver developers can work on these requests at all or when is another question" for nothing. Still - asking by itself doesn't hurt. If at some point they finally will have more budget and more people to work on rising requests - good. If they won't - sad, but world won't fall apart, and people will just continue to ask until the day of servers's eventual shutdown.

[Iscah]

Masculine glams have just seemed like a rarity this expansion alone, but not only that but other expansions as well.

You keep repeating that, and backing it up by pointing out specific glamours that are feminine. That does not actually disprove the existence of counter-examples.

(And yes the Shisui sets are kind of weird on men, but the costume designers have to invent something to use as the shirt piece for men's swimwear every time they make a set. Also they get cool gloves as part of it that could be combined into other outfits. And the top actually looks interesting with Au Ra and shows off their scales, which is appropriate for how it's used in game – acquired from the Raen palace and also seen as Buduga tribal gear.)

And I'm looking through the list of healer gear from Shadowbringers, and there is nice stuff there that I absolutely regard as masculine.

• Anamnesis coat (repeat Shire set) looks like a man's coat
• Blade's Acton is neutral (I understand it's a male character's outfit originally? I haven't played XII)
• Bozjan military coat is definitely masculine
• Brightlinen - masculine, semi-armoured set that originated as melee DPS gear
• Cryptlurker is a wizard's robe - neutral, not feminine
• Crystarium is more feminine but not particularly flattering to them either, and I wouldn't use it on either gender
• Deepshadow - neutral tending towards female battlemage? But not girly-feminine
• Edencall - tending feminine, but I am putting together a glamour with this for one of my male Miqo'te characters and I actually really like it for that. I've been trying to place exactly what it's based on and it seems to be in the vein of Renaissance menswear but not exactly. Elements of earlier medieval style. Seems to click with the Hraesvelgr hat.
• Edengate - sure it's a dress.
• Edenmete - it is quite feminine and based on Gaia's outfit, though I also like the look of it on the same Miqo'te I mentioned above, and I like the look of the male version having the long sleeves compared to the female sleeveless version. It has a soft steampunky vibe to it and it's not "masculine" but I don't think it looks like he's in women's wear either.
• Exarchic - it's logically feminine by the design, but it also fits quite strangely and I don't like it on my female characters either.
• Facet (repeat Diabolic) is definitely Victorian masculine
• Heirloom/Voeburtite is feminine
• Ebers robe - feminine, yes, though I've wanted to play around with it. The male version has some armour on the hips where the female version has lace and bows, so I wonder how it could look dyed black or something and with armoured gauntlets and boots. Reclaim it.
• Arbatel - neutral
• Soothsayer - feminine even if they did put it on a male character
• Iridescent (Valerian) robe - feminine, though I like the more robe-style approach they've taken to the male version. The female version is more definitely a dress.
• Lakeland Robe - it's the Ishgardian cleric model, and I'm disappointed they recycled it instead of something nicer, but it's a male priest's robe and not a dress.
• Law's Order - feminine but the collar clips horribly with long hair, so ruined for both genders.
• Nabaath (Ala Mhigan crafter) - masculine
• Neo-Ishgardian - both genders get their own version and the male version looks fantastic. I like it on all my characters.
• Obsolete - as mentioned earlier in the thread, I actually do like how they've adapted it for male characters. It doesn't suit everyone but it definitely looked good on some of my male characters when I tried it. Simple tunic, the one-handed glove that could be cool for something, and a hairpin that isn't a flower.
• Ovim (Ala Mhigan) coat - I think this is gender-neutral and I'm using it for a male WHM glamour that isn't frilly.
• Paglth'an - tending feminine? But I haven't tried it on my characters.
  Pixie Cotton robe - ragged travelling gear. Maybe more feminine but not greatly.
• Ravel Keeper - attaching the heavy skirt to the body piece was a mistake. I assume they can't make it so full if it's a leg piece, but still it's an odd design choice and makes it more feminine. On the other hand they used it for all the Night's Blessed, men included.
• Ronkan - tending feminine but it's a priest robe again. It's hard to work with regardless.
• Shadowless - Ascian robes, neutral/cosplay
• Swallowskin - dwarf gear, not really designed to look good on anyone else
• Forgiven (Demon) - the robe and gloves are neutral although the skirt and fancy hat are feminine.
• Warg - masculine
• Type-51 - they got the 9S outfit, or as close as you're going to come to it. A nice stylish jacket for male characters.
• Type-53 - tending feminine but can work for an elegant men's outfit too.

And on the glamour front (if I'm starting in the right place):

• Craftsman top and singlet, both masculine
• Replica sky pirate sets, letting you use the masculine tank and melee sets instead of being locked to the feminine set for mages
• Replica Sky Rat post-apocalyptic look
• Kupo Jacket fits weirdly on everyone
• Craftsman's apron is weird but very gender-neutral
• Dalmascan top looks good on both genders
• Southern Seas shirt is equally tacky on both
• Casual set works on both
• Hraesvelgr set is Renaissance menswear again
• Skyworker's singlet is neutral to masculine
• Rider's jacket is masculine
• Frontier jacket is a weird design and nowhere near as nice as the dress
• Peacelover's shirt looks masculine to me
• 2B - feminine
• Late Allagan set is cool and not feminine

So yeah, if you got through that wall of text I think that's all the stuff we got in Shadowbringers and I really don't see the "nothing but feminine gear" narrative you keep repeating is there. You don't have to wear everything they give you, and the all-class pieces are there to be combined with job gear in interesting ways.

There could certainly be more gear in the style that you're asking for, but it's still one style among a variety of things that people want to put on their male characters, and neglecting your particular taste does not mean neglecting them entirely.

And ultimately, modern-style gear (which I think is generally what you're after) is much more likely to be delivered as glamour gear than healer-specific gear.