STOP Genderlocking Cosmetics!!

[Eldevern]

I talked about culture, not morals. Scotts are proud to wear skirts btw

If you talk about culture, you can't escape that as soon as it is necessary, cultures adapt the clothing cut to the body shape.

The traditionnal kimono does have some kind of dress for men, in Asia, some clothings are some kind of dress, BUT the cut for women and men is not the same.

It's pretty Occidental and contemporary to escape the question of beauty. Even Arts now are not about "beautiful" but about "concepts", "shock". I'm old fashioned, Art, for me, remains about beauty. Clothings are supposed to valorize the natural attributes, to valorize advantages, not to... express some kind of politic opinion. People shouldn't complain if the style they absolutly want makes them look weird, it is their problem, they are not victims.

EDIT : Rather than beauty, I should use "balance", that sounds more accurate.


Colors are a different matters... India is a fair example that colors are not related to gender. Regarding colors, western countries are... pretty sad (even for cars, people are used to buy blue, grey, black, white... monotonous)

PS : I don't like kilts

PS (2): They mostly hide hairy legs with high socks ²

[Reinha]

Kilts are gender locked too, afaik. The female version looks different. I'd be very surprised if there exists even one culture that does not differentiate between male and female formal wear.

Side note, I'd absolutely love traditional Scottish outfits for male and female characters. They look great.

[Theodric]

I talked about culture, not morals. Scotts are proud to wear skirts btw

Are you Scottish? I am. I live in Scotland.

They're not referred to as skirts - they're referred to as kilts and they're quite clearly designed to not be a skirt in the regular sense and are built to adhere to the male form in a way that is very different to how a skirt would be designed to look and fit on a woman.

The Romans used attire similar to kilts, too - but again, they were designed to accommodate the differences between men and women.

[Wissp]

It might have been said in the posts somewhere above, but even if so I am saying it again.

Clothes themselves have no gender, it's the various societies that have placed social restrictions on who should look proper in what.

Men have worn skirted outfits for centuries, it is only in the last couple hundred years it started being considered 'wrong' for them to do so.

Women have been in skirts for most of recorded history. When they bucked the trend in the 19th century and started wearing pants, people bitched up a storm. But the world wars in the 20th century showed the practicality of allowing women to do so, and society eventually accepted the trend of women in pants. So now females can literally pretty much wear anything and not be too judged on it.

Men though have a very upward battle to get their skirts back.......

But some don't care and do it anyway, just google 'men's skirts' to see what I mean.

[Senn]

I don't know how difficult it would be for the graphics team to go back and make every piece of gear wearable for both male and female models. For older or less recent gear/outfits, it might be better to request just a select few of them if they are popular and highly demanded enough. However, I think moving forward in end walker and beyond, each piece of gear that comes out should be made available to both female and male models. Of course, I think we should have a wide variety of styles to choose from - feminine, masculine, or whatever - as long as it can be worn by anyone.

[Lihtleita]

However, I think moving forward in end walker and beyond, each piece of gear that comes out should be made available to both female and male models. Of course, I think we should have a wide variety of styles to choose from - feminine, masculine, or whatever - as long as it can be worn by anyone.

This. Having the option to equip the gearset of the other gender does not force you to do so. No-one will force your highlander dude to wear a skirt (unless of course, hes level 15 and just got the foestriker skirt from sastasha or any of the other myriad sets in early game that look the same on both models :P)

[KizuyaKatogami]

This. Having the option to equip the gearset of the other gender does not force you to do so. No-one will force your highlander dude to wear a skirt (unless of course, hes level 15 and just got the foestriker skirt from sastasha or any of the other myriad sets in early game that look the same on both models :P)

Yeah it’ll just come at the cost of many other things no doubt which i’m not so inclined to be happy about. Seeing how much they cut out in this expansion alone, i’d rather not give them more workload that they clearly can’t handle for an obviously niche audience.

[ZedxKayn]

Are you Scottish? I am. I live in Scotland.

They're not referred to as skirts - they're referred to as kilts and they're quite clearly designed to not be a skirt in the regular sense and are built to adhere to the male form in a way that is very different to how a skirt would be designed to look and fit on a woman.

The Romans used attire similar to kilts, too - but again, they were designed to accommodate the differences between men and women.

A kilt is a type of skirt, it specifically being a kilt does not make it any less of a skirt.

If fitting body types was what was worrying the devs enough to prevent them from removing the genderlock, there would be no horror such as the male au ra casual top (or jacket or w/e it's called), they'd care enough to make it look decent.

Some people just seem to be against unlocking some gear because in their culture, it's deemed ugly or ridiculous.
But in a different culture, it could be alright. As Wissp stated above, throughout history, men have been wearing skirted attires commonly enough.

[Lihtleita]

Yeah it’ll just come at the cost of many other things no doubt which i’m not so inclined to be happy about. Seeing how much they cut out in this expansion alone, i’d rather not give them more workload that they clearly can’t handle for an obviously niche audience.

Making one set that fits both genders literally saves the workload of designing and texturing a different genderlocked outfit, I genuinely dont understand your argument.

[Eldevern]

...

Not really. The easiest job is similar to champions in LoL : one model, clothing integrated as a direct shape of the character. As soon as you do clothes, since you have two genders, you have two basic bodyshapes, it far easier and faster to extract one clothing from each and develop it specifically rather than doing one for both and copy one to another. Just the copy can generate ghost clipping. This because of topology and shape keys (especially since you need to delete as many hidden part as possible to avoid clipping and useless GPU work).
The more HD is topology, the farest topologies are between genders (hips and breast for example).