STOP Genderlocking Cosmetics!!

[Theodric]

Naw, the code already exists. The Korean client enjoys no glamour restrictions, and I am full of envy.

Generally due to selling a lot more glamour items over on the cash shop, correct?

I'd wager if there wasn't so much backlash against the Mog Station over here, we'd get the same.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I heard there's gathering and crafting gear sold as cosmetic items on the Mog Station there.

[KizuyaKatogami]

The dev team said in the past they're keeping them undyeable to keep them authentic to the look when the characters wore them. I personally am totally ok with that so there's your one person that's ok with it.

It’s dungeon outfits though. They also make them dyable later on but only for doh/l. So it’s like...cool they’re dyable now but they’re locked to crafters and gatherers... It shouldn’t take a whole other expansion to make that gear dyable, it should be dyable day 1 period end of story. Kinda crazy to me that hasn’t been addressed yet but transparency isn’t exactly the 14 team’s forte.

[Eldevern]

The funny thing is people call phobia when we disagree about a matter of aesthetic.

Clothes for "women" are supposed to be made for "women" body shape as clothes for men are supposed to be made for "men" body shape.

It's not because you find a clothing pretty it will fit you. You don't believe me? Then why so many people ask for advices to dress if it is false? Why so many magazines give advices to choose the right shape of clothes depending of your body type?

Women clothes rarely fit men especially when the cut is made to valorize hips shape (without telling anything about hairy men's legs ).

Even without considering gender, some clothing will look vulgar or weird one some people when it will look cool on another. Maybe it's unfair but that's the life.

[Atreides]

Yikes... once again someone pulling the phobia card because people disagree with the OP.
This is less phobia than just people don't want others to look ridiculous, OP sad the gates should be open now and there is no excuse to stop genderlocking since both genders can use the 2B outfit...
I think this is exactly where he is wrong the 2B outfit is the whole reason to stop that because it's not exactly pleasant to look at male characters running around in 2B pants and bunny outfit stockings etc.
This kind of "dresscode" is not something I want to see more of. More often than not people wear that outfit to look ridiculous and troll rather than wanting to look good.

The biggest issue I see in this game is that outfits are made for female characters and then adjusted to males which is really lazy, they also tend to make more female outfits in general, this is something that needs to change.
For example you can clearly see the current best craftable tank body looks ridiculous on male because it was made for females.

[Imora]

The funny thing is people call phobia when we disagree about a matter of aesthetic.

Clothes for "women" are supposed to be made for "women" body shape as clothes for men are supposed to be made for "men" body shape.

It's not because you find a clothing pretty it will fit you. You don't believe me? Then why so many people ask for advices to dress if it is false? Why so many magazines give advices to choose the right shape of clothes depending of your body type?

Women clothes rarely fit men especially when the cut is made to valorize hips shape (without telling anything about hairy men's legs ).

Even without considering gender, some clothing will look vulgar or weird one some people when it will look cool on another. Maybe it's unfair but that's the life.

Example, last time I tried wearing men's pants, they didn't fit my butt or thighs yet the waist and legs dimensions were correct.

Mens and womens clothes are definitely cut differently. Ever try wearing the other sex's formal wear? You want to, you need that stuff custom made because rarely does it fit well without alterations.

[ZedxKayn]

The funny thing is people call phobia when we disagree about a matter of aesthetic.

Clothes for "women" are supposed to be made for "women" body shape as clothes for men are supposed to be made for "men" body shape.

It's not because you find a clothing pretty it will fit you. You don't believe me? Then why so many people ask for advices to dress if it is false? Why so many magazines give advices to choose the right shape of clothes depending of your body type?

Women clothes rarely fit men especially when the cut is made to valorize hips shape (without telling anything about hairy men's legs ).

Even without considering gender, some clothing will look vulgar or weird one some people when it will look cool on another. Maybe it's unfair but that's the life.

You know what male exclusive clothing used to be vulgar and weird on women in the past? Pants.

It's not an aesthetic or vulgarity thing as much as it's a culture thing at all.
I think women in male suits look great, and not even that long ago it'd have been outrageous.
Also women have hairy legs too, but guess what we usually do to them... Waxing or shaving isn't something limited to women...

Tbh overall the whole "body shape" thing ends up falling flat when male Au Ras' bodies have a pretty extreme hourglass shape or Lalafells are literal tubes.

[Imora]

You know what male exclusive clothing used to be vulgar and weird on women in the past? Pants.

It's not an aesthetic or vulgarity thing as much as it's a culture thing at all.
I think women in male suits look great, and not even that long ago it'd have been outrageous.
Also women have hairy legs too, but guess what we usually do to them... Waxing or shaving isn't something limited to women...

Tbh overall the whole "body shape" thing ends up falling flat when male Au Ras' bodies have a pretty extreme hourglass shape or Lalafells are literal tubes.

To be fair, men in dresses with breast cups looks absolutely ridiculous.

And no, I'm not talking about in game. I'm talking about an old friend of mine that used to cross dress for funzies and looked ridiculous with a stuffed gown.

[Eldevern]

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Where you're wrong is that you suppose I'm talking about "moral" matters when I'm exclusively talk about "beautiful" vs "ugly", "cool" vs "weird".

Do men clothes can be worn by women? Absolutly. That's unfair but men clothes on women, clothings can match but women clothes on men... the truth is that the reply, most of time, is an absolute no. Men don't "fill" women clothings.

Even considering one gender, all clothings don't match all people. I would never wear "gothic" or "bikers", I watch out if it is "sportwears" because not all cuts will match. Because it doesn't fit me. I've realized long ago that not everyone can wear everything. Some people, but they are rare, can look cool whatever they wear but most people don't have this chance.

I don't care about moral. It's not my angle.

[SturmChurro]

Generally due to selling a lot more glamour items over on the cash shop, correct?

I'd wager if there wasn't so much backlash against the Mog Station over here, we'd get the same.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I heard there's gathering and crafting gear sold as cosmetic items on the Mog Station there.

Yeah, what I'd guess as well. From what I can tell, players over there enjoy cash shops in games - even if it's 'pay2win'. In turn their cash shop team probably gets more funding and can add a wider variety of items.

[ZedxKayn]

Where you're wrong is that you suppose I'm talking about "moral" matters when I'm exclusively talk about "beautiful" vs "ugly", "cool" vs "weird".

Do men clothes can be worn by women? Absolutly. That's unfair but men clothes on women, clothings can match but women clothes on men... the truth is that the reply, most of time, is an absolute no. Men don't "fill" women clothings.

Even considering one gender, all clothings don't match all people. I would never wear "gothic" or "bikers", I watch out if it is "sportwears" because not all cuts will match. Because it doesn't fit me. I've realized long ago that not everyone can wear everything. Some people, but they are rare, can look cool whatever they wear but most people don't have this chance.

I don't care about moral. It's not my angle.

I talked about culture, not morals. Scotts are proud to wear skirts btw