STOP Genderlocking Cosmetics!!

[Kolsykol]

I'm fine with the gender lock not being a priority to remove if it means more focus on traditionally masculine gear for male characters and traditionally feminine gear for female characters. It's what the majority of people seem to want, after all - and I'd rather not see the game's fashion trends dictated purely by whoever happens to be the the loudest, most vocal voice within the community.

To some extent I agree with you, because that does tend to be the case.
Or well... The case tends to be that feminine gear/ clothes is removed and masculine is treated as '' the default/ gender-neutral ''.

However I think the devs in FFXIV don't have that approach, I think it's mostly a Western thing and probably has a lot to do with how male dominated gaming and nerdy stuff has been.
And in Japan there wasn't this trend of hyper masculinity in the sense of the West ( ultra muscle men oiled up with machine guns and explosions pewpewpew ).
Femininity is more generally accepted.

It does happen in Asian games when they try to pander to the West tho, or when localization teams decide to start tampering with things.
But that doesn't rly happen in FFXIV either.

I think that even if they made the gear unlocked to everyone it'd still stay the same.
However, I also do think there is truth to the notion that most people who wear feminine gear and clothes on male characters do it as a joke.
Which gets into what I said above, I actually think that gender norms when it comes to men are FAR more rigid than with women even tho people often say the opposite.
A lot of men unironically feel insecure and emasculated by even something as simple as the notion of washing their face with face wash...
Women obviously do get shamed to some extent, but I do think it's far more extreme with men especially in modern culture.

Not having genderlocking doesn't mean an outfit can't be masculine or feminine. As with the example provided by Roukiz. All the genderlocking serves is to provide frustration for players when they find a piece of gear that looks nice and disappointingly enough it's gender locked.

When i get a pair of pants, i want them to be a pair of pants and not a skirt!

Why not the reverse tho?
Pants are already in the OVERWHELMING majority in the game.
Like why is the pants considered the '' true '' version there, especially when in reality a skirt adds more variety than the pants do.

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Look at how they’ve done with caster and healer gear. Even the male ones are incredibly feminine. I’d rather not have that be a thing. Hell, the 2b gear isn’t genderlocked but it’s still heavily feminine and got no male alternative. I’d rather they spend more time coming up with more masculine male glams than trying to come up with ungenderlocked glams that appease a 1%

In fairness, a lot of the gear that drops from the Nier raid does fill that.
The 2B gear is more like a fun reference and 2B's design is ultimately more popular than say 9S.

It'd be cool to have gotten both but they also designed all of the other gear too, so I am more forgiving of it.
I mean in that scenario the 9S gear would've been what was to appease a minority, and some of the gear already is very similar from the Nier raids. It's pretty easy to cosplay him already while cosplaying 2B would've been more difficult.

Big difference between women wearing unisex attires such as trousers and men wearing female specific dresses.

I am not "mad" even remotely, but it seems you are. I am really sorry if I triggered you, I didn't mean to offend you with my opinion, truly.







Wait. I actually don't quite care.

Do not "westernize" FF with such nonsense.

Pants were not unisex historically and still aren't in many countries.
In some countries women wearing jeans is even seen as EXTREMELY sexual and heavily demonized.
And neither were skirts seen as feminine, even in some cultures today men wear skirts.

Point being, these things change.
And maybe we could with a bit less rigid standards.
The whole thing with masculinity and mens gender norms being considered '' gender-neutral/ unisex '' has a lot to do with how women have been shut out of public spaces and not had much of a role outside of the household in fairly recent history.
Combined with rather harshly forced gender norms for men too.

Again I don't disagree with the notion that most will do it as a joke, but a lot of people won't and I think it stops being '' funny '' at some point the more it's normalized.
The same way that women wearing masculine clothes have been somewhat normalized.
Which people absolutely did view as hilarious and shocking.

While we're at it, stop taking AF gear and making it really sexual/childish on female characters. Looking at you, BLM and RDM sets..

So you don't actually want more options?
This is just about what you want.
Because you're telling them to stop doing something that doesn't fit your taste instead of just creating both and unlocking it right now.

Calling options you don't like childish etc and getting into rants about modesty is also totally unnecessary in this discussion.
It muddies the water and makes it sound like you're just interested in ranting against clothing that goes against your taste.

[LisSquid]

Calling options you don't like childish etc and getting into rants about modesty is also totally unnecessary in this discussion.
It muddies the water and makes it sound like you're just interested in ranting against clothing that goes against your taste.

I thought this thread was about discussing what we want? What's your point? :P

[KizuyaKatogami]

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In fairness, a lot of the gear that drops from the Nier raid does fill that.
The 2B gear is more like a fun reference and 2B's design is ultimately more popular than say 9S.

It'd be cool to have gotten both but they also designed all of the other gear too, so I am more forgiving of it.
I mean in that scenario the 9S gear would've been what was to appease a minority, and some of the gear already is very similar from the Nier raids. It's pretty easy to cosplay him already while cosplaying 2B would've been more difficult.

2B themed glams drop from copied factory though, just like 9s themed ones do. Yet they still gave the 2b coffer. It’s just funny to me though that Yoshi P wants to go on about “equality” for brownie points with the community, yet when push comes to shove we get a female themed glam and not a male alternative for people that play male characters...where’s the equality?People cosplayed 2b long before her outfit became available and it was about the same effort as trying to create 9s. It just seems like again, they wanted to pander to the skimpy female characters like always and male characters got shafted like always.

[Rokke]

The 2B set being unisex was on Yoko Taro. I am not really familiar with his games, but from how he's acted in every interview with the xiv staff I assume he fought for it cause he thought it'd be funny and zany random humor seems to be his thing.

[Hazama999]

Keep gender lock!
There is no reason to let FFXIV psychodelic. Let genders and races have their own identity.

I, for one, am all for gender unlocking of gear, but can also see why they wouldn't "just do it." There are likely a good deal of logistical and/or technical reasons, and those would sound reasonable to me.

That said, the quoted comment is one that I find rather baffling (more so with the number of likes it got) because it assumes that something like "identity" hinges on whether or not a character can, say, wear jeans but not a skirt.

[KizuyaKatogami]

The 2B set being unisex was on Yoko Taro. I am not really familiar with his games, but from how he's acted in every interview with the xiv staff I assume he fought for it cause he thought it'd be funny and zany random humor seems to be his thing.

So then if this is indeed true(we’ll never get an answer obviously), then he thinks the same way as a lot of the people in this thread who also think 99% of the time a guy dresses up in something heavily feminine like the 2b outfit, it’s for humor purposes.(which i kind of agree with too, i usually only see it used as humor.) Nevertheless though if it indeed was his decision, then the original plan would’ve been to have had it be a female glam only, in which case...yay for shafting the males as i’ve said before. It just seems really lazy on SE’s part to take off the genderlock of one piece of glam but then leave it on for another that’s part of the same exact raid and which they already have the model in the game for. Then again laziness seems to be the theme this expansion so

[Juzjuzz]

Instead of asking for "stop genderlocking", asking for kilts for males or more pants for females is a better idea imo. But i guess kilts are too manly lol

In the grand scheme of design, Kilts and Skirts are literally the same thing. Probly the only real difference is the material they are made from, and a few trinkets. Otherwise, a Kilt is just a Skirt, you dont have to be Male to wear one, just like you dont have to be Female to wear a Skirt. Sure a Native to the culture might get offended, but they are and function the same....not like there is anything wrong with that.

Yeah but at the same time, some skirts have a different design. So like you said it's close but you can't just pick a skirt change de size just to make male be able to wear it and call it a kilt after. The differences are all in the details, that's why ppl don't put kilts and skirts together. One example is that kilts have a specific lengh and shape, skirts have all kind of lenghs and shapes. That's why many ppl here are against removing genderlock, it will be copy and pasting a dress without changes outside of not being too small or too big.

And asking for tons of outfits being unlocked when the developpers don't even have time to make 2 different options on 1 outfit for everyone feels off to me. If genderlock is here, it's not just for being anoying.

[Duskane]

This thread is funny with OP pics are files in game they are just waiting for right time to release them same as The Butler and Maid set for both genders,already stated they want to slowly remove gender locked clothing over time just wait.
people against men in dresses just gotta cope since they already can wear stuff like spring dress and wedding dress,
also Japan isn't really against cross dressing obviously people are gonna find it odd but where doesn't but its generally "humorous" to see a man in women clothing it aint tabboo to them lol.

personally i don't care what you wear, its not like game is super graphic anyway.

[Amnmaat]

This thread is funny with OP pics are files in game they are just waiting for right time to release them same as The Butler and Maid set for both genders,already stated they want to slowly remove gender locked clothing over time just wait.
people against men in dresses just gotta cope since they already can wear stuff like spring dress and wedding dress,
also Japan isn't really against cross dressing obviously people are gonna find it odd but where doesn't but its generally "humorous" to see a man in women clothing it aint tabboo to them lol.

personally i don't care what you wear, its not like game is super graphic anyway.

No one cares what anyone's wearing.
People care what it means for future gear/glamour design and what gets cut so that they can add cross dressing. As someone who plays a male character I don't want the 2B copied factory glamour to become what we see more of. For that I would make a female character.

[Duskane]

No one cares what anyone's wearing.

comments in this thread say otherwise lol.