STOP Genderlocking Cosmetics!!

[Lihtleita]

Not really. The easiest job is similar to champions in LoL : one model, clothing integrated as a direct shape of the character. As soon as you do clothes, since you have two genders, you have two basic bodyshapes, it far easier and faster to extract one clothing from each and develop it specifically rather than doing one for both and copy one to another. Just the copy can generate ghost clipping. This because of topology and shape keys (especially since you need to delete as many hidden part as possible to avoid clipping and useless GPU work).
The more HD is topology, the farest topologies are between genders (hips and breast for example).

so lalafell should be allowed to wear any clothes because their models are literally the same right?

[Theodric]

A kilt is a type of skirt, it specifically being a kilt does not make it any less of a skirt.

If fitting body types was what was worrying the devs enough to prevent them from removing the genderlock, there would be no horror such as the male au ra casual top (or jacket or w/e it's called), they'd care enough to make it look decent.

Some people just seem to be against unlocking some gear because in their culture, it's deemed ugly or ridiculous.
But in a different culture, it could be alright. As Wissp stated above, throughout history, men have been wearing skirted attires commonly enough.

Good luck going to Scotland and calling a kilt a skirt, or going to Dubai and calling a kandora a dress/bath robe.

Men weren't dressing up in skirts throughout history, generally speaking - and they most certainly weren't seen or portrayed as such.

It isn't even considered to be a popular pursuit even in the modern day and one has to wonder how much of the support for such things is legitimate and how much is coerced due to threat of punishment...

Personally, as a gay guy, I'd rather not see the direction of glamour dictated by niche pursuits.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

They're not referred to as skirts - they're referred to as kilts and they're quite clearly designed to not be a skirt in the regular sense and are built to adhere to the male form in a way that is very different to how a skirt would be designed to look and fit on a woman.

In the grand scheme of design, Kilts and Skirts are literally the same thing. Probly the only real difference is the material they are made from, and a few trinkets. Otherwise, a Kilt is just a Skirt, you dont have to be Male to wear one, just like you dont have to be Female to wear a Skirt. Sure a Native to the culture might get offended, but they are and function the same....not like there is anything wrong with that.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Making one set that fits both genders literally saves the workload of designing and texturing a different genderlocked outfit, I genuinely dont understand your argument.

uhh what? They still have to work around body types. They have to work around the chest of females. They’d have to spend more time trying to customize it so it not only fits both genders the same, but all the different races as well. That’s much more work. Unless you have actual coding or designing experience, i’m gonna take it with a huge grain of salt because a lot of you seem to be thinking it isn’t a lot of work when the devs themselves have stated it’s more.

[HollowedDoll]

so lalafell should be allowed to wear any clothes because their models are literally the same right?

yes, actually, but they won't do that because it's either all or nothing.
another issue is that male characters have midlander ( au ra, miqote, highlander, elezen ) and roe based races ( hrothgar ), while all female characters use the same base model so porting a female outfit would require double the work than the other way around.
the exception is lalafell but they're identical in body

[Eldevern]

so lalafell should be allowed to wear any clothes because their models are literally the same right?

Should? No. Could? Most likely.

[Amnmaat]

The last thing I want is boring genderless clothing/armors in this game.
What adds flavor to clothes is when they're made to accentuate the naturally born gender or body shape.

[Lunalepsy]

EDIT: Disappointed, but not surprised at the level of homophobia/transphobia, hate and apathy directed towards gender non-conforming people wanting to be able to have options in this game. A sad world.
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I honestly thought we'd start to see more progress the day the both wedding attires were unlocked. Yet here we are, still getting fed cash-shop gender exclusive gear. Even with regular ingame items. Why?

What I find hilarious is that the game purportedly already has female sets like the spring dress, and thavnarian outfit modelled and fitted for all male characters. This has been the case for more than a year now, and yet they're still locked in the actual game lol.

Here are some images I found on the topic over on discord:



What's more shocking and very confusing is that apparently, every single male exclusive designed item is always fitted and wearable for every female race. But the reverse is not true, as the data just doesn't exist at all.



I remember back when people used to defend the genderlocking by bringing up countries such as UAE and the conservative nature of japan. But since everyone can run around in 2B's outfit, there really aren't anymore excuses as to why they're still at this.

Yoshi P, please-

I don't mind genderlocked items—I do mind when the outfits are restricted by job/class.

[LisSquid]

Are people really arguing about how clothing irl is cut in mass production to.. video game models that are custom fit?

I'm sorry to say that all clothing you buy doesn't fit you correctly, unless you have it altered. But what I'm gathering is this thread is full of poorly dressed individuals.

Bumping for the previous post: release job/role locked glamour. Gender locked glamour is small potatoes compared to this stifling system that should have died in MMOs years ago.

[Kolsykol]

I'm fine with the gender lock not being a priority to remove if it means more focus on traditionally masculine gear for male characters and traditionally feminine gear for female characters. It's what the majority of people seem to want, after all - and I'd rather not see the game's fashion trends dictated purely by whoever happens to be the the loudest, most vocal voice within the community.

To some extent I agree with you, because that does tend to be the case.
Or well... The case tends to be that feminine gear/ clothes is removed and masculine is treated as '' the default/ gender-neutral ''.

However I think the devs in FFXIV don't have that approach, I think it's mostly a Western thing and probably has a lot to do with how male dominated gaming and nerdy stuff has been.
And in Japan there wasn't this trend of hyper masculinity in the sense of the West ( ultra muscle men oiled up with machine guns and explosions pewpewpew ).
Femininity is more generally accepted.

It does happen in Asian games when they try to pander to the West tho, or when localization teams decide to start tampering with things.
But that doesn't rly happen in FFXIV either.

I think that even if they made the gear unlocked to everyone it'd still stay the same.
However, I also do think there is truth to the notion that most people who wear feminine gear and clothes on male characters do it as a joke.
Which gets into what I said above, I actually think that gender norms when it comes to men are FAR more rigid than with women even tho people often say the opposite.
A lot of men unironically feel insecure and emasculated by even something as simple as the notion of washing their face with face wash...
Women obviously do get shamed to some extent, but I do think it's far more extreme with men especially in modern culture.

Not having genderlocking doesn't mean an outfit can't be masculine or feminine. As with the example provided by Roukiz. All the genderlocking serves is to provide frustration for players when they find a piece of gear that looks nice and disappointingly enough it's gender locked.

When i get a pair of pants, i want them to be a pair of pants and not a skirt!

Why not the reverse tho?
Pants are already in the OVERWHELMING majority in the game.
Like why is the pants considered the '' true '' version there, especially when in reality a skirt adds more variety than the pants do.

Edit:

Look at how they’ve done with caster and healer gear. Even the male ones are incredibly feminine. I’d rather not have that be a thing. Hell, the 2b gear isn’t genderlocked but it’s still heavily feminine and got no male alternative. I’d rather they spend more time coming up with more masculine male glams than trying to come up with ungenderlocked glams that appease a 1%

In fairness, a lot of the gear that drops from the Nier raid does fill that.
The 2B gear is more like a fun reference and 2B's design is ultimately more popular than say 9S.

It'd be cool to have gotten both but they also designed all of the other gear too, so I am more forgiving of it.
I mean in that scenario the 9S gear would've been what was to appease a minority, and some of the gear already is very similar from the Nier raids. It's pretty easy to cosplay him already while cosplaying 2B would've been more difficult.

Big difference between women wearing unisex attires such as trousers and men wearing female specific dresses.

I am not "mad" even remotely, but it seems you are. I am really sorry if I triggered you, I didn't mean to offend you with my opinion, truly.







Wait. I actually don't quite care.

Do not "westernize" FF with such nonsense.

Pants were not unisex historically and still aren't in many countries.
In some countries women wearing jeans is even seen as EXTREMELY sexual and heavily demonized.
And neither were skirts seen as feminine, even in some cultures today men wear skirts.

Point being, these things change.
And maybe we could with a bit less rigid standards.
The whole thing with masculinity and mens gender norms being considered '' gender-neutral/ unisex '' has a lot to do with how women have been shut out of public spaces and not had much of a role outside of the household in fairly recent history.
Combined with rather harshly forced gender norms for men too.

Again I don't disagree with the notion that most will do it as a joke, but a lot of people won't and I think it stops being '' funny '' at some point the more it's normalized.
The same way that women wearing masculine clothes have been somewhat normalized.
Which people absolutely did view as hilarious and shocking.

While we're at it, stop taking AF gear and making it really sexual/childish on female characters. Looking at you, BLM and RDM sets..

So you don't actually want more options?
This is just about what you want.
Because you're telling them to stop doing something that doesn't fit your taste instead of just creating both and unlocking it right now.

Calling options you don't like childish etc and getting into rants about modesty is also totally unnecessary in this discussion.
It muddies the water and makes it sound like you're just interested in ranting against clothing that goes against your taste.