STOP Genderlocking Cosmetics!!

[Lauront]

Actually, as a Japanese person with characters on both JPN and NA servers, I think the disconnect that often happens is that people believe that just because a game has international audience that it has to have the same cultural norms of other countries. In Japan, one will hardly ever, ever see a man dressing as a woman, except for otokonoko types (what the Westerners call 'traps'), which is a totally fringe group. While I respect these people for living how they desire, the fact is Japan is very, very conservative still. In work, you're even told what color suits you may wear, women are told what color hair they are allowed to have, etc. I get it that many Western cultures are really relaxed and allow everyone to just be however they like, but please also try to respect that Yoshi-P has gone out of his way to address many of the things that the mostly Western audience wanted even though it may have not really been as appreciated by the Japanese community (like, I believe, male bunny suits?). Yes, it is an international game, but it is informed by the culture of those that produce it and who have probably lived with Japanese cultural norms all of their lives.

He's not arguing for female outfits for males, but more to do with how the outfits were handled for Nier for males.

According to who, YOU?

It's their art, no one asked you.

Then why, pray tell, do they keep engaging players on Twitter for feedback? While I agree that they should stick to their vision, on a forum frequented by people paying for the product you can expect that you will see many asking for specific things out of the game. Obviously there is disagreement over that. Let's not pretend, though, that they're indifferent to feedback when they provide venues to extract it...

[TTiscancer]

He's not arguing for female outfits for males, but more to do with how the outfits were handled for Nier.



Then why, pray tell, do they keep engaging players on Twitter for feedback? While I agree that they should stick to their vision, on a forum frequented by people paying for the product you can expect that you will see many asking for specific things out of the game. Obviously there is disagreement over that. Let's not pretend, though, that they're indifferent to feedback when they provide venues to extract it...

"this would be cool" Feedback.

"this is the way it should be because it's the current year" Demand.

The vast majority don't want that garbage in the game.

[redheadturk]

"this would be cool" Feedback.

"this is the way it should be because it's the current year" Demand.

The vast majority don't want that garbage in the game.

And a lot of them, I am one of them, would like to see dresses and other things like the thavnair gear unlocked for males. If only to make it so that things like playing a transgender character is made simpler. Not that I would do so myself, but I bet there are plenty of transgender players that would like to be able to create a character they can relate easily to.

[SturmChurro]

These outfits or dresses are designed with the female or feminine form in mind. While I do think more options are generally for the best, if SE is going to use resources, I'd like to see things like the hempen sets converted for everyone first. Like, I get that some people want to wear dresses on their buff roes or hrothgar, but it's probably a minority of players who would actually use these pieces. Unfortunately SE doesn't have unlimited resources.

[Lauront]

They do as much because such an approach serves to appease the greater number of players. I think that most people playing a male character do not wish to wear a dress designed with a female character in mind, after all.

It's when you try do both at once that it becomes costlier. If they can readily incur that cost? Fine, but I don't believe that is the case given their constant reminders about how resource-constrained they are. That is when it can become a case of one or the other, and then concerns about the aesthetic of the unisex outfits come into play.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Actually, as a Japanese person with characters on both JPN and NA servers, I think the disconnect that often happens is that people believe that just because a game has international audience that it has to have the same cultural norms of other countries. In Japan, one will hardly ever, ever see a man dressing as a woman, except for otokonoko types (what the Westerners call 'traps'), which is a totally fringe group. While I respect these people for living how they desire, the fact is Japan is very, very conservative still. In work, you're even told what color suits you may wear, women are told what color hair they are allowed to have, etc. I get it that many Western cultures are really relaxed and allow everyone to just be however they like, but please also try to respect that Yoshi-P has gone out of his way to address many of the things that the mostly Western audience wanted even though it may have not really been as appreciated by the Japanese community (like, I believe, male bunny suits?). Yes, it is an international game, but it is informed by the culture of those that produce it and who have probably lived with Japanese cultural norms all of their lives.

My point was about how they handled the nier outfits. They gave out a female coffer for a 2b glam and gave males nothing in return. They constantly give out female exclusive outfits on mogstation. Caster and healer glams are heavily feminine even for males. Hairstyles lately have been either feminine or androgynous. Female characters are as i said, heavily pandered to.

[Avidria]

Yeah lowkey the most irritating thing is those sets where the same exact gear looks different between the genders, and there's no way to get both versions. Especially annoying with the Nier gear. A lot of it just flat looks way better on female characters, but then there's a few pieces that I'd definitely rather have the guys' version for. Like the freakin. Scrunchie gloves. Also the guys' Makai aiming set is great. The only things holding me back from wanting to jump straight to bunny boy in EW is, well, the hair and hats, and the fact that most of the fem locked gear just looks... better??? In general??? Like... seriously. Was so much harder to put together an outfit I was really happy with for the like, 3 weeks I played cat boy this expansion.

[Amnmaat]

There's 2 fundamentals at play.

1. Most of us choose male characters for male looks.
2. Having to make Ryne's outfit both genders, for example would require twice as much work. That's the last thing we want, these devs haven't even finished female hrothgar yet and are behind on high res textures, and character creator.

[GrizzlyTank]

There's 2 fundamentals at play.

1. Most of us choose male characters for male looks.
2. Having to make Ryne's outfit both genders, for example would require twice as much work. That's the last thing we want, these devs haven't even finished female hrothgar yet and are behind on high res textures, and character creator.

Removing gender locking for a piece of gear would not require "twice as much work". Most of the development time goes into designing and creating the base model, usually done with a male hyur as base and then it is copied over to the other race/sex combinations with minor changes...

Except for all the times they decide to make twice as many unique models because they are obsessed with gender locking...

They way they are doing things now takes significantly more time than to not gender lock things.

[TTiscancer]

Removing gender locking for a piece of gear would not require "twice as much work". Most of the development time goes into designing and creating the base model, usually done with a male hyur as base and then it is copied over to the other race/sex combinations with minor changes...

That is completely and utterly untrue. Every piece of gear is remade for every race that can wear it. This isn't wow where they just stretch them to fit because all the gear is just painted on. You know literally nothing about anything, please stop.

Every single piece of gear has a unique model x race x gender.