STOP Genderlocking Cosmetics!!

[Kozh]

I want to also add my voice to the request to make outfits not gender locked. We know it's perfectly doable, and you could easily have a button to change which version of the outfit is being used, or whatever else fits the FF14 engine.

I play a transgender character, I want to do that without just using a female model, and I'm left struggling to put together outfits. I thought that this would have been made more available given the wedding outfits and statements from YoshiP, but alas, you keep releasing items that look different on male/female models and there is no way to use the opposite sex's outfits, except a handful of universal items.

It's... Not that easy. Making them not gender locked means they have to re-fit the outfit for the male/female model.

And tbh that "handful" statement is such an overstatement. Raid gear, tome gear, dungeon gear, Bozja gear, they all are universal iirc (except for some minor changes for zadnor gear).

[ilzee]

It's... Not that easy. Making them not gender locked means they have to re-fit the outfit for the male/female model.

And tbh that "handful" statement is such an overstatement. Raid gear, tome gear, dungeon gear, Bozja gear, they all are universal iirc (except for some minor changes for zadnor gear).

Yes, maybe it's not "that easy", but it's certainly something that could be easily done, especially for items sold for 13 euros.

And sure there are many unisex glams, but people who want genderlocks to be removed or reduced, are talking about explicitly masculine outfits for female bodied characters, and explicitly feminine outfits for male bodied characters. As a player of the former, I can assure that the former is extremely limited in options, there's no arguing around it, and I would like that to change.

[KizuyaKatogami]

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I mean with this list you literally basically just proved my point. A majority of those are either “neutral” or feminine not to mention many of them being just pure recycled sets. So yeah, pure masculine glams are lacking. Especially in comparison to the “neutral” or feminine ones. I don’t expect you to see it considering you’re a female and your main is a female character. I don’t think it’s a coincidence a majority of the people who typically try to put down the masculine ideas or requests are the ones playing female characters of whom glams and hair are typically pandered to. Case in point how long exactly have people been asking for beard or facial hair options? How long has it taken them to even acknowledge the stubble? Exactly. Yet look how quick they were to give out 2b set, ryne’s set, etc etc.

[Iscah]

A majority of those are either “neutral” or feminine not to mention many of them being just pure recycled sets. So yeah, pure masculine glams are lacking.

Why do glamours need to be "purely" masculine for you?

Neutral means you can put it on a male character and it looks like menswear. Isn't that enough?

I don’t expect you to see it considering you’re a female and your main is a female character.

My main is female, yes, but I have more male than female characters (four vs three, set to be five vs two once Viera are available).

(Forgive the EC self-promotion, but scroll down the page to see their galleries) I have Sylviel, Haru, U'zolwe and Zi'aba – not that Haru does much to demonstrate my taste in men's fashion, but he's for trying to make some of the "weird outfits" work when I wouldn't put them on anyone else.

The other three though – they're not "manly men" but they're all definitely men. I don't dress them in things that make them look like women. I'm picky about what suits them and I have lots more outfits that I haven't gotten to posting.

The biggest thing that stands out to me from playing multiple characters is that nothing ever suits everyone. Things can look great on one character and terrible on another – even between my two Miqo'te who logically have the same body shape. A large chunk of the total range of glamour options will not work for any one character, which is why I like having a few to play with.

i like playing with pretty dresses on my female characters, but I really like the range of things available for male characters too. As long as it looks good on them, I don't care one bit if it can also look good on someone else too.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Why do glamours need to be "purely" masculine for you?

Because i enjoy masculine glams. We get purely feminine glams all the time. I want masculine glams added in the same quantity as those. Like, we can argue back and forth about this glamour type has more or less of it but the bottom line is, there is seemingly far less effort put into male/masculine glams than there are the female ones. Healing sets are a big example of this, where they barely even change the design from the female set. Bunny outfit is another one. All i want is for that same effort,time,and resources to be put into designing male glams and not constantly coming out with feminine-esque glams. That needs to be addressed before they start taking time away and resources away from that and putting it towards taking away genderlocks of already released gear. When they can’t even give us new glams from dungeons and it’s instead recycled glams, that’s already concerning. I don’t need to see more of that purely because a minority wants no genderlocks. People have been asking for more masculine options for years and it’s fallen on deaf ears and instead they’ve pandered to the crowd asking for androgynous of feminine things. It’s ironic considering Yoshi P’s stance of “equality.”

[Iscah]

Because i enjoy masculine glams. We get purely feminine glams all the time. I want masculine glams added in the same quantity as those.

It harder to make things "purely masculine" though, because a thing becomes feminine as soon as you put some ruffles and ribbons on it, but what do you do to something to make it unquestionably male, no girls allowed?

I'm not asking this to trap you. It's an honest question and people seem to squirm away from it whenever I ask.

Fashion itself is skewed to make it easy to wall things off as "feminine" but a lot harder the other way. So what would achieve that for you?

When they can’t even give us new glams from dungeons and it’s instead recycled glams, that’s already concerning.

Dungeon gear has always alternated between new and recycled designs. ARR just repeated the same few sets over and over; Heavensward created quite a few new designs but then reused some, or gave everyone colour variations on a single design; Stormblood settled into alternating between new and reused sets. There's nothing new or concerning about it, just their standard production cycle, and I just see it as another opportunity to get outfits in different colours or for other classes.

[Joven]

It harder to make things "purely masculine" though, because a thing becomes feminine as soon as you put some ruffles and ribbons on it, but what do you do to something to make it unquestionably male, no girls allowed?

I'm not asking this to trap you. It's an honest question and people seem to squirm away from it whenever I ask.

Fashion itself is skewed to make it easy to wall things off as "feminine" but a lot harder the other way. So what would achieve that for you?

I would say masculine fashion would be something, like feminine fashion, that accentuates a male's traits. Something like open shirts that bare the chest or ones that are sleeveless to show off muscle. Personally if I wanted my male characters to be dressed masculine I'd just have them with their shirts off. I already do that with my hrothgar alts. Outside of musculature and their bait'n tackle, men don't really have as much to focus on as women.

[KizuyaKatogami]

It harder to make things "purely masculine" though, because a thing becomes feminine as soon as you put some ruffles and ribbons on it, but what do you do to something to make it unquestionably male, no girls allowed?

Well a majority of it is as simple as you said. Gear that isn’t a frilly, ribbon fest is a good start. For me it would be headsets that maybe show more muscle or accentuates the chest/abs area of the males. Things of that nature. Like, for some of the frilly or ribbon-y healer outfits, they could easily just turn them into tunics. There’s a big difference between something like the hellfire set and the 2b set is what i mean. The hellfire set has that chest window which is semi-revealing but the overall glamour is pretty masculine. Things of that nature.

[Ceridwenae]

Well a majority of it is as simple as you said...

I tend to think it's better to just try and fit the form first, then take the rest of your preferences on board (as in frills or no-frills).

Catboys can be a bit tricky to dress in some outfits because of their height and girth. A lot of what might be consider skewed masculine (i.e., lots of tank gear) can bulk them out in an unappealing manner. Robes and long-coat styles can also drown them.

I'm sure you have quite different criteria as to what looks good, but let me share what I do for my catboys (my main alt is a catboy, I have another two catboy alts and my squadron for my main is half catboy), as a note-comparing exercise:

My catboys use the fireglass leather hoodie (without the t-shirt), or the summer indigo shirt - both may be either gender, but they look awesome on catboys. Use the peacelover's trousers, or calf riders plus the trainers (high tops or calf rider) or rebel boots. It looks good, even if you might find the fact either gender can wear this problematic - my personal preference is to use gunmetal black on the trousers and fireglass hoodie, jet black on the shirt, trainers and boots. I also like the Strife trousers - the length is especially good across the board (and really, catboys look best with length to combat their short height, although this claim is not something I'd die on a hill to defend, because I've found enough ways around it).

If you're tanking, goatskin trews in gunmetal black lower the waistline in a pleasing manner; that plus the fireglass hoodie (no t-shirt version) will show nice arms and some stomach/abs. You might also look at the endless summer attire on the mog station - it's open-shirted for the guys.

Then you might also consider the coeurl talisman/south seas talisman (both are male only). I have my catboy's monk job dressed in the south seas & fireglass trews (though peacelover's work too), and it's appealing with punching gloves as well.

If you want a shirt that's smart, take a look at the Thavnairian wool autumn shirt. It's default colour is questionable, but it's male only. The only issues I can see arising may be the excessive buttons and/or swirly pattern on the cuffs, and being honest, I have this but don't use it. It's not rock and roll enough.

Failing that, the emperor's new robe chest piece might do you well. My husband uses this on his catboy, with the default starter boots and the pagos gaskins (I feel those gaskins skew quite masculine, but YMMV). I think he uses this on all jobs.

I don't know if any of these suggestions will work for you in the short-term at least, but know I am sympathetic to the plight of wanting specific stuff to wear and not finding it - regardless of gender! And if you ever want to visit my corner of Zodiark in November to try and deal with this game's take on fashion, I'd happily welcome you over.

[FrogDog]

Well a majority of it is as simple as you said. Gear that isn’t a frilly, ribbon fest is a good start. For me it would be headsets that maybe show more muscle or accentuates the chest/abs area of the males. Things of that nature. Like, for some of the frilly or ribbon-y healer outfits, they could easily just turn them into tunics. There’s a big difference between something like the hellfire set and the 2b set is what i mean. The hellfire set has that chest window which is semi-revealing but the overall glamour is pretty masculine. Things of that nature.

I would love to see more tunic type glams similar to the Eikon Acton model. There are very few items like this in the game. I like pieces that drape down a bit below the waist and above the knee. Bits of armor on a robe is cool too, which unfortunately we don't seem to get very often either. The bit of concept art below is one of my favorite looking pieces of caster gear I've seen. It looks masculine to me and functional.

Healers especially suffer with glam pieces that really seem tailored more to females. It feels like the majority of healer chestpieces are full robes with a wide or bottom-heavy silhouettes. I like robes. I like men in robes. FF mostly doesn't do men in robes well imo. A robe on a man should ideally accentuate the shoulders and chest and then taper down to something straight. This would be an example of a more masculine full robe to me.

The Valerian wizard and priest robes are among the best robes in XIV on male characters and it figures because they were designed from a different game ;p