STOP Genderlocking Cosmetics!!

[Bright-Flower]

I don't think so, role-specific gear does the job of distinguishing players according to their jobs at the time of playing, I would certainly not want to see several Samurais and Dragoons in the party using the same glamour as the Tank, classes and jobs would loose meaning.


Role gear is a matter of distinction and it should continue to be.

This kind of loses its distinction when you have sets like, say a lot of the Nier raid sets, the shisui sets, etc. I can agree when it comes to job specific gear that actually defines those jobs. But there's plenty of say tank gear that isn't actually defensive looking, plenty of aiming gear that doesn't exactly scream bard/mch/dnc, plenty of casual wear glams that aren't combat oriented at all etc. In fact, other than tank sets generally having a bit of extra armor, the sets generally aren't really role defining in their aesthetics outside of actual AF sets once per expansion.

And considering you can go back and get older gear from prior expansions much easier than it was to get at the start, it doesn't really define you as having played 'at that time' either. Heck I didn't do MM until several patches after it released and yet I can rock my dyed af sets just as easily as those that did it day one.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I don't think so, role-specific gear does the job of distinguishing players according to their jobs at the time of playing, I would certainly not want to see several Samurais and Dragoons in the party using the same glamour as the Tank, classes and jobs would loose meaning.


Role gear is a matter of distinction and it should continue to be.

Funny, considering things like level 1 glamours exist. I really don’t understand this argument when i can be a level 80 drk and be wearing boxer briefs and a pig head. Job distinction went out the window a long time ago.

[Yencat]

I think the point is, people were advocating for it very much back then. Look where it got us. Into an even worse situation than there was back then. It seems like a majority of the community only really cares about female things. When it’s male characters asking for something or more specifically masculine things , “it eats up resources”, or “stop being homophobic or misogynistic.” There’s multiple threads of people asking for things for male characters and then we get this expansion filled with things like the 2b coffer, almost every healer set, androgynous and feminine hair etc. With still hardly little word on something so simple as a stubble. And now male viera are made immensely feminine with really no variance on their height slider or a masculine face option similar to what the miqote’s have. Instead it’s they MUST be shorter than the females and like it!

Which is why I said what I said about keeping the thread 'alive and active', just because it didn't work in 2018 doesn't mean it's a lost cause. Sure, I've seen the odd thread here and there asking for what you're saying here but they quickly drop off and disappear from the first page, while the majority of these comments are scattered about other threads asking for different things.

I don't know exactly what sort of feedback is passed on the dev team but I can almost guarantee they don't go through each thread tallying Yea's and Nay's and writing notes on things people ask for unrelated to the topic.

I get that it's annoying having to shout for something that should go without saying but revive that 2018 thread and keep it active and be 'annoying' about keeping it on the first few pages.

Worst case scenario you've wasted some time posting in a thread every now and then.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Which is why I said what I said about keeping the thread 'alive and active', just because it didn't work in 2018 doesn't mean it's a lost cause. Sure, I've seen the odd thread here and there asking for what you're saying here but they quickly drop off and disappear from the first page, while the majority of these comments are scattered about other threads asking for different things.

I don't know exactly what sort of feedback is passed on the dev team but I can almost guarantee they don't go through each thread tallying Yea's and Nay's and writing notes on things people ask for unrelated to the topic.

I get that it's annoying having to shout for something that should go without saying but revive that 2018 thread and keep it active and be 'annoying' about keeping it on the first few pages.

Worst case scenario you've wasted some time posting in a thread every now and then.

This is my point regarding this thread though. It *is* going to be a lost cause if we continue to have people wanting the devs to waste resources on very niche things. And then use the homophobia transphobia card to try to get the devs to notice them to avoid being cancelled. Again, i don’t find that it’s a coincidence the same expansion they’ve put more focus onto removing past genderlocks is the same expansion we’ve gotten less masculine glams and options, and also the same expansion period male viera got twitter-fied. It has to do with this toxic generation(of which i am a part of so don’t cancel me plz thx)

[Yencat]

This is my point regarding this thread though. It *is* going to be a lost cause if we continue to have people wanting the devs to waste resources on very niche things. And then use the homophobia transphobia card to try to get the devs to notice them to avoid being cancelled. Again, i don’t find that it’s a coincidence the same expansion they’ve put more focus onto removing past genderlocks is the same expansion we’ve gotten less masculine glams and options, and also the same expansion period male viera got twitter-fied. It has to do with this toxic generation(of which i am a part of so don’t cancel me plz thx)

Right and I get that, but by repeatedly going back and forth with people arguing over what you'd rather see, all you're really doing is driving engagement and post count up in this topic you don't agree with.

You can post that you disagree of course, but it seems that energy is better spent making sure what you DO want to see is spotlighted in its own thread and driving engagement there.

[Theodric]

The issue with megathreads is that they're beholden to the whims of the original poster. We have absolutely seen cases where a poster is willing to tweak the original post to edit in new relevant requests/references to what has been asked for by people responding to the thread in good faith.

Unfortunately we have also had original posters who, for example, decided to deliberately hide away certain requests and references behind a spoiler box in order to promote only those that they themselves desired. With no real attempt made to compromise.

[Yencat]

The issue with megathreads is that they're beholden to the whims of the original poster. We have absolutely seen cases where a poster is willing to tweak the original post to edit in new relevant requests/references to what has been asked for by people responding to the thread in good faith.

Unfortunately we have also had original posters who, for example, decided to deliberately hide away certain requests and references behind a spoiler box in order to promote only those that they themselves desired. With no real attempt made to compromise.

You were the original poster in the thread you linked me earlier though? I assume that's still relevant and could be picked up again without the need for a separate megathread about it? But I guess you can't trust anyone these days, not even yourself?

I really don't see why it has to be this complicated but enjoy the ponytails and dresses you'll probably get in the future then, I guess.

[Axxion]

Based off there thread history

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...Men-in-Dresses.

[Ultaniku]

It was a few pages, and I don’t want to dig through the fighting, but the idea of buying the mog station set and the main portion, a dress for example, staying gender locked is fine. Then the parts that could honestly be unisex, the shoes, gloves, and accessories, being available to everyone could always be a nice addition. Like I said I do not want dresses for my character, but certain shoes or gloves would like nice. Yes I know that would be certain items being modeled for all character body types but it would open glamour up in various ways. A heeled shoe or sandal isn’t to my knowledge “cross dressing”

[HollowedDoll]

It was a few pages, and I don’t want to dig through the fighting, but the idea of buying the mog station set and the main portion, a dress for example, staying gender locked is fine. Then the parts that could honestly be unisex, the shoes, gloves, and accessories, being available to everyone could always be a nice addition. Like I said I do not want dresses for my character, but certain shoes or gloves would like nice. Yes I know that would be certain items being modeled for all character body types but it would open glamour up in various ways. A heeled shoe or sandal isn’t to my knowledge “cross dressing”

Well plenty of shoes only have one model already, I'm not sure about gloves.