STOP Genderlocking Cosmetics!!

[Amnmaat]

This exactly. A big problem on this forum is that people simultaneously believe that the devs don't listen to the forums, but also every suggestion thread is going to happen unless they spam it with their grievances at the very suggestion of whatever is in the OP. The irony is that it adds post count, thus giving the CMs the idea that maybe they should look at the suggestion being made. Engagement makes the digital world go round, people! Which is why I still have severe doubts about these Twitter overlords I keep hearing about.

On topic: I've said it before but I'll go further into my own thoughts now. I've been playing a lot of other games in the past few years, and become accustomed to devs committing to making gear for all. They want to make a strappy lil thing or a big spikey plate of armor? They made their bed and pushed it out for all models and classes. I put the ranged outfit on my tank and mix it with some caster pieces.

This lock behind class and role, and by extension gender, is pretty stifling. Not just because it is more work (and trust me, it really is more work.) The trade-off is more aesthetics but less options for the individual. Gender/race locking isn't a bad thing when you can have alts. The harsh truth of FFXIV is that alts are a novelty, and not exactly viable in a game like this. Racial gear in GW2 is awesome because I, the player, can enjoy all of these aesthetics without losing anything. I just hop onto an alt!

FFXIV? Do hundreds of hours of MSQ, lose access to my house, gil, and all of my progress OR that will be a $10 fantasia, please. If you design a game around how one character can do all things, then I don't see how that philosophy cannot extend to aesthetics as well.

Crossdressing is only an issue for 1%-2% of the population.
The reason female Hrothgar isn't coming out at the same time as male viera is because of how much time it takes to model gear in this game. Making them work twice as hard to make female clothes for males and male clothes for females doubles the time and resources needed for this.

Instead of crossdressing I think more hairstyles, more glamours, and hats/helmets for viera/hrothgar are more pressing problems in the game.

[LisSquid]

Crossdressing is only an issue for 1%-2% of the population.

I'm very concerned that you immediately jump to cross-dressing. You got some demons in your headspace you wanna work out?

[Amnmaat]

I'm very concerned that you immediately jump to cross-dressing. You got some demons in your headspace you wanna work out?

Unlike you I stay on topic, crossdressing is what this topic is about.

[KizuyaKatogami]

With a last post in 2018 I'm not sure that proves what you think it does?

In any case I do agree and it's annoying you have to keep being vocal about it, same with Viera/Hrothgar hairstyles and male Viera, but I guess that's how it works.

I think the point is, people were advocating for it very much back then. Look where it got us. Into an even worse situation than there was back then. It seems like a majority of the community only really cares about female things. When it’s male characters asking for something or more specifically masculine things , “it eats up resources”, or “stop being homophobic or misogynistic.” There’s multiple threads of people asking for things for male characters and then we get this expansion filled with things like the 2b coffer, almost every healer set, androgynous and feminine hair etc. With still hardly little word on something so simple as a stubble. And now male viera are made immensely feminine with really no variance on their height slider or a masculine face option similar to what the miqote’s have. Instead it’s they MUST be shorter than the females and like it!

[Bright-Flower]

I don't mind the racial gear in FFXIV. It's ultimatley just two sets. The starting gear and the hempen set. So while I wouldn't mind seeing these, especially the hempen sets, being more flexible, it's not a huge deal for me.

I do wish gear wasn't role locked though. Especially for poor melee where you have three actual sets within the role. I think that, with the exceptions of mainhand/offhand items and job specific artifact gear, you SHOULD be able to freely glamour between roles.

[SigmaOZ]

I'll put it in a different way, I don't want unlocked job gear for the same reason other players don't want unlocked Hempen sets or unlocked standing/sitting positions.


Selfishness or seriousness, call it whatever but that is my standing position. I wouldn't want other roles robbing me of my exclusiveness in the right of wearing a given role set.


Now, level 1 glamour sets and the crafted ones being mentioned ... well, they mustn't be very role-defining or they have no role at all like most MogStation outfits.

[Bright-Flower]

I'll put it in a different way, I don't want unlocked job gear for the same reason other players don't want unlocked Hempen sets or unlocked standing/sitting positions.


Selfishness or seriousness, call it whatever but that is my standing position. I wouldn't want other roles robbing me of my exclusiveness in the right of wearing a given role set.


Now, level 1 glamour sets and the crafted ones being mentioned ... well, they mustn't be very role-defining or they have no role at all like most MogStation outfits.

There are a ton of actual gear sets, not just level 1 glams, that are not role defining. What exactly is role defining about say, the Aiming Nyr sets? The shisui sets? The pagl'than sets? And you sometimes get sets where honestly, other sets make sense for a given job. Like for example say the late allagan pvp aiming set only really fits mch, brd and dancer would be better represented by the melee or caster versions of that set. You often have shared models between melee and aiming, or tanking and maiming, casting/healing etc, diluting things further.

Sets don't generally have any real 'role identity' outside of the tanking an sometimes dragoon sets being slightly more armored. And even then the addition of reaper's bloodbornesque asethetic sharing gear with the traditionally much more armored looking dragoon is going to be a bit odd for example.

[LisSquid]

Now, level 1 glamour sets and the crafted ones being mentioned ... well, they mustn't be very role-defining or they have no role at all like most MogStation outfits.

I really wouldn't call anything role defining besides our arms. We have seen roles share glamours since the beginning of the game, so the lock due to role identity is already a lost point.

Not to mention that it isn't limited to casters, melee, and tanks, either. Samurai shared healer glamour for an Eden tier. It's really silly to not just throw all the appearances on lvl 1 glamour at this point.

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You picked on my post specifically, which was more about locks in general. If you wanna talk something out, my dms are open to you.

[SigmaOZ]

I don't think so, role-specific gear does the work of distinguishing players according to their jobs at the time of playing, I would certainly not want to see several Samurais and Dragoons in the party using the same glamour as the Tank, classes and jobs would loose meaning.


Role gear is a matter of distinction and it should continue to be.

[LisSquid]

I don't think so, role-specific gear does the job of distinguishing players according to their jobs at the time of playing, I would certainly not want to see several Samurais and Dragoons in the party using the same glamour as the Tank, classes and jobs would loose meaning.


Role gear is a matter of distinction and it should continue to be.

My healer glam wears the striking set reskin, and no one has any trouble seeing that I'm an AST. Several dungeons offer reskins to new roles. We can wear frog suits. The only reason it's locked is so that SE can re-release it later as crafted sets instead of making new gear.

Now THAT is my tinfoil hat theory and prove me wrong.