STOP Genderlocking Cosmetics!!

[ZedxKayn]

The funny thing is people call phobia when we disagree about a matter of aesthetic.

Clothes for "women" are supposed to be made for "women" body shape as clothes for men are supposed to be made for "men" body shape.

It's not because you find a clothing pretty it will fit you. You don't believe me? Then why so many people ask for advices to dress if it is false? Why so many magazines give advices to choose the right shape of clothes depending of your body type?

Women clothes rarely fit men especially when the cut is made to valorize hips shape (without telling anything about hairy men's legs ).

Even without considering gender, some clothing will look vulgar or weird one some people when it will look cool on another. Maybe it's unfair but that's the life.

You know what male exclusive clothing used to be vulgar and weird on women in the past? Pants.

It's not an aesthetic or vulgarity thing as much as it's a culture thing at all.
I think women in male suits look great, and not even that long ago it'd have been outrageous.
Also women have hairy legs too, but guess what we usually do to them... Waxing or shaving isn't something limited to women...

Tbh overall the whole "body shape" thing ends up falling flat when male Au Ras' bodies have a pretty extreme hourglass shape or Lalafells are literal tubes.

[Imora]

You know what male exclusive clothing used to be vulgar and weird on women in the past? Pants.

It's not an aesthetic or vulgarity thing as much as it's a culture thing at all.
I think women in male suits look great, and not even that long ago it'd have been outrageous.
Also women have hairy legs too, but guess what we usually do to them... Waxing or shaving isn't something limited to women...

Tbh overall the whole "body shape" thing ends up falling flat when male Au Ras' bodies have a pretty extreme hourglass shape or Lalafells are literal tubes.

To be fair, men in dresses with breast cups looks absolutely ridiculous.

And no, I'm not talking about in game. I'm talking about an old friend of mine that used to cross dress for funzies and looked ridiculous with a stuffed gown.

[Eldevern]

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Where you're wrong is that you suppose I'm talking about "moral" matters when I'm exclusively talk about "beautiful" vs "ugly", "cool" vs "weird".

Do men clothes can be worn by women? Absolutly. That's unfair but men clothes on women, clothings can match but women clothes on men... the truth is that the reply, most of time, is an absolute no. Men don't "fill" women clothings.

Even considering one gender, all clothings don't match all people. I would never wear "gothic" or "bikers", I watch out if it is "sportwears" because not all cuts will match. Because it doesn't fit me. I've realized long ago that not everyone can wear everything. Some people, but they are rare, can look cool whatever they wear but most people don't have this chance.

I don't care about moral. It's not my angle.

[ZedxKayn]

Where you're wrong is that you suppose I'm talking about "moral" matters when I'm exclusively talk about "beautiful" vs "ugly", "cool" vs "weird".

Do men clothes can be worn by women? Absolutly. That's unfair but men clothes on women, clothings can match but women clothes on men... the truth is that the reply, most of time, is an absolute no. Men don't "fill" women clothings.

Even considering one gender, all clothings don't match all people. I would never wear "gothic" or "bikers", I watch out if it is "sportwears" because not all cuts will match. Because it doesn't fit me. I've realized long ago that not everyone can wear everything. Some people, but they are rare, can look cool whatever they wear but most people don't have this chance.

I don't care about moral. It's not my angle.

I talked about culture, not morals. Scotts are proud to wear skirts btw

[Eldevern]

I talked about culture, not morals. Scotts are proud to wear skirts btw

If you talk about culture, you can't escape that as soon as it is necessary, cultures adapt the clothing cut to the body shape.

The traditionnal kimono does have some kind of dress for men, in Asia, some clothings are some kind of dress, BUT the cut for women and men is not the same.

It's pretty Occidental and contemporary to escape the question of beauty. Even Arts now are not about "beautiful" but about "concepts", "shock". I'm old fashioned, Art, for me, remains about beauty. Clothings are supposed to valorize the natural attributes, to valorize advantages, not to... express some kind of politic opinion. People shouldn't complain if the style they absolutly want makes them look weird, it is their problem, they are not victims.

EDIT : Rather than beauty, I should use "balance", that sounds more accurate.


Colors are a different matters... India is a fair example that colors are not related to gender. Regarding colors, western countries are... pretty sad (even for cars, people are used to buy blue, grey, black, white... monotonous)

PS : I don't like kilts

PS (2): They mostly hide hairy legs with high socks ²

[Theodric]

I talked about culture, not morals. Scotts are proud to wear skirts btw

Are you Scottish? I am. I live in Scotland.

They're not referred to as skirts - they're referred to as kilts and they're quite clearly designed to not be a skirt in the regular sense and are built to adhere to the male form in a way that is very different to how a skirt would be designed to look and fit on a woman.

The Romans used attire similar to kilts, too - but again, they were designed to accommodate the differences between men and women.

[ZedxKayn]

Are you Scottish? I am. I live in Scotland.

They're not referred to as skirts - they're referred to as kilts and they're quite clearly designed to not be a skirt in the regular sense and are built to adhere to the male form in a way that is very different to how a skirt would be designed to look and fit on a woman.

The Romans used attire similar to kilts, too - but again, they were designed to accommodate the differences between men and women.

A kilt is a type of skirt, it specifically being a kilt does not make it any less of a skirt.

If fitting body types was what was worrying the devs enough to prevent them from removing the genderlock, there would be no horror such as the male au ra casual top (or jacket or w/e it's called), they'd care enough to make it look decent.

Some people just seem to be against unlocking some gear because in their culture, it's deemed ugly or ridiculous.
But in a different culture, it could be alright. As Wissp stated above, throughout history, men have been wearing skirted attires commonly enough.

[Theodric]

A kilt is a type of skirt, it specifically being a kilt does not make it any less of a skirt.

If fitting body types was what was worrying the devs enough to prevent them from removing the genderlock, there would be no horror such as the male au ra casual top (or jacket or w/e it's called), they'd care enough to make it look decent.

Some people just seem to be against unlocking some gear because in their culture, it's deemed ugly or ridiculous.
But in a different culture, it could be alright. As Wissp stated above, throughout history, men have been wearing skirted attires commonly enough.

Good luck going to Scotland and calling a kilt a skirt, or going to Dubai and calling a kandora a dress/bath robe.

Men weren't dressing up in skirts throughout history, generally speaking - and they most certainly weren't seen or portrayed as such.

It isn't even considered to be a popular pursuit even in the modern day and one has to wonder how much of the support for such things is legitimate and how much is coerced due to threat of punishment...

Personally, as a gay guy, I'd rather not see the direction of glamour dictated by niche pursuits.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

They're not referred to as skirts - they're referred to as kilts and they're quite clearly designed to not be a skirt in the regular sense and are built to adhere to the male form in a way that is very different to how a skirt would be designed to look and fit on a woman.

In the grand scheme of design, Kilts and Skirts are literally the same thing. Probly the only real difference is the material they are made from, and a few trinkets. Otherwise, a Kilt is just a Skirt, you dont have to be Male to wear one, just like you dont have to be Female to wear a Skirt. Sure a Native to the culture might get offended, but they are and function the same....not like there is anything wrong with that.

[Juzjuzz]

Instead of asking for "stop genderlocking", asking for kilts for males or more pants for females is a better idea imo. But i guess kilts are too manly lol

In the grand scheme of design, Kilts and Skirts are literally the same thing. Probly the only real difference is the material they are made from, and a few trinkets. Otherwise, a Kilt is just a Skirt, you dont have to be Male to wear one, just like you dont have to be Female to wear a Skirt. Sure a Native to the culture might get offended, but they are and function the same....not like there is anything wrong with that.

Yeah but at the same time, some skirts have a different design. So like you said it's close but you can't just pick a skirt change de size just to make male be able to wear it and call it a kilt after. The differences are all in the details, that's why ppl don't put kilts and skirts together. One example is that kilts have a specific lengh and shape, skirts have all kind of lenghs and shapes. That's why many ppl here are against removing genderlock, it will be copy and pasting a dress without changes outside of not being too small or too big.

And asking for tons of outfits being unlocked when the developpers don't even have time to make 2 different options on 1 outfit for everyone feels off to me. If genderlock is here, it's not just for being anoying.