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    Player Amnmaat's Avatar
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    Haha Grizzlytank thinks the game actually has an engine that stretches the hyur midlander body to fit every race (except Roegadyn)? If that was the case making male viera and female hrothgar would be easy as hell.

    Instead what we got from Yoship is how they had to go through thousands of gear pieces and fit them manually to the race's specifications.

    Furthermore, with the never-ending gender denominations/RP denominations how can they satisfy this crowd?
    If it's not male characters wanting to dress like women it's people like Grizzly tank asking them to make whatever fits on men to look exactly the same way on female characters.

    In this neverending identity world there's no way the devs win. They would only win if they stressed themselves out to make the same glam a hundred times to satisfy:
    1. Male looking version of glam example 1
    2. Female looking version of glam example 1
    3. Male looking version of glam example 1 for female characters
    4. Female looking version of glam example 1 for male characters

    That would be the only scenario where the men wanting to look like women and the women wanting to look like men would satisfy all the possible scenarios. That's essentially doubling their workload.
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    Hexinas Desharot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amnmaat View Post
    Haha Grizzlytank thinks the game actually has an engine that stretches the hyur midlander body to fit every race (except Roegadyn)? If that was the case making male viera and female hrothgar would be easy as hell.

    Instead what we got from Yoship is how they had to go through thousands of gear pieces and fit them manually to the race's specifications.

    Furthermore, with the never-ending gender denominations/RP denominations how can they satisfy this crowd?
    If it's not male characters wanting to dress like women it's people like Grizzly tank asking them to make whatever fits on men to look exactly the same way on female characters.

    In this neverending identity world there's no way the devs win. They would only win if they stressed themselves out to make the same glam a hundred times to satisfy:
    1. Male looking version of glam example 1
    2. Female looking version of glam example 1
    3. Male looking version of glam example 1 for female characters
    4. Female looking version of glam example 1 for male characters

    That would be the only scenario where the men wanting to look like women and the women wanting to look like men would satisfy all the possible scenarios. That's essentially doubling their workload.
    I DEMAND every female outfit on females is remade to have a bulge option! It'S TwENtYtWEnTYoNE u bagots!
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    Capybara Friend
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amnmaat View Post
    Haha Grizzlytank thinks the game actually has an engine that stretches the hyur midlander body to fit every race (except Roegadyn)? If that was the case making male viera and female hrothgar would be easy as hell.
    That is a male midlander top scaled down to female miqote scale that you see in the picture, and it's possible for the game to render the picture specifically because they use the same body base.
    Male roe and hrothgars share the same model, but most other races are "midlander based".
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZedxKayn View Post
    That is a male midlander top scaled down to female miqote scale that you see in the picture, and it's possible for the game to render the picture specifically because they use the same body base.
    Male roe and hrothgars share the same model, but most other races are "midlander based".
    Pretty much. The entire process of transferring the finished model from one race/sex combo to another should largely be automated since all playable models should be using the same base skeleton with different width/length of their body parts and the only notable differences between a male and female character is breasts, hips and possibly the butt, all of which should already be included in these weights. Only two things that should need an through check is helmets due to different head shapes and attachments such as shoulderpads, cloaks, belts and other doodads not tied to the base model.
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    Player HollowedDoll's Avatar
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    Tomboy Outback
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank View Post
    Pretty much. The entire process of transferring the finished model from one race/sex combo to another should largely be automated since all playable models should be using the same base skeleton with different width/length of their body parts and the only notable differences between a male and female character is breasts, hips and possibly the butt, all of which should already be included in these weights. Only two things that should need an through check is helmets due to different head shapes and attachments such as shoulderpads, cloaks, belts and other doodads not tied to the base model.
    That's a misconception entirely, base skeleton =/= base mesh, plus male models don't have breasts and have a wider frame in general, there's no elegant way of adding those with the way you described.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank View Post
    Pretty much. The entire process of transferring the finished model from one race/sex combo to another should largely be automated since all playable models should be using the same base skeleton with different width/length of their body parts and the only notable differences between a male and female character is breasts, hips and possibly the butt, all of which should already be included in these weights. Only two things that should need an through check is helmets due to different head shapes and attachments such as shoulderpads, cloaks, belts and other doodads not tied to the base model.
    You are spouting complete nonsense, AGAIN. Go do your research please, this is just dumb now.

    First of all, no, they do NOT use the same base skeleton, like AT ALL.

    Second, they all have COMPLETELY UNIQUE RIGS.

    Third, they all have unique animations for various poses etc. Why does that matter? Because all the outfits need to be made to fit those animations as to not bug out, so you don't end up with things being inside-out etc. Because there are no collision physics, this needs to be custom made for EVERY race and EVERY gender for EVERY outfit.

    Please, just stop. You understand less than nothing about 3d modeling.
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    Last edited by TTiscancer; 07-25-2021 at 05:13 AM.