Serious note -Why so many toxic players lately?

[Dragonblanco]

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Quoting comment I made on page 10.

I went to respond to lot of people yesterday but I guess I exceeded a post limit. So I'm going to do a "generic" thing here to address everything at once. I appreciate all of you who have answered the question. Obviously a lot of us are split on our view of communities. Perhaps some are more sensitive than others, maybe it's luck, it could be differences in servers/data centers, etc. Regardless, my aim with this thread wasn't to have people arguing back and forth or to have anyone trolling. Yes, I fell into a couple traps and argued back, which I shouldn't have done either.

On a second note, my example wasn't fully descriptive. I can't post the words used or anything as it's a ToS thing. I dumbed it down to the most basic. A lot of people who told me not to assume did much the same thing, making assumptions of how many times I asked, how long I waited before making the comment about being ignored or they don't speak English, etc. That said, lesson I learned is I need to stop giving examples and just ask questions because otherwise a lot of the trolls and other people here will look at trying to twist things to cause conflict. Which that, in itself, I call a bit of toxicity. A toxic community is one that turns things into arguments, shaming, disrespect, lacks empathy, etc. Why do those things fit into being called toxic? Toxic = very harmful or unpleasant in a pervasive or insidious way. Those behaviors and attitudes are very harmful to community and success in a MMORPG. Games like FFXIV focus on all the opposite aspects, so anything to detract from the game's build and community would be called toxic.

Almost done here....I get it, some of you felt my example had me as slightly toxic. I see that comes from misunderstandings among other things. I mean, everyone has their own level of comfort and sometimes the most innocent thing can be offensive to another. Like in some countries a "thumbs up" means "Ok" but in other countries it means "up yours!" As they say, "different strokes for different folks." However, that argument works both ways. I could have been more patient or not said something, but it takes other people to know some people are either ignorant or may just be trying to be helpful. Someone asking a question or making a suggestion is something to also be patient and understanding on. In fact, the basis of this game is that you can talk and be friendly with each other, you offer support, and so much more.

I'm not going to be commenting or posting further on this thread, but feel free to continue the conversation without me. Last thing I'm going to say is that I hope more of you can try to hear people out and be more understanding. The amount of "it's a troll" or "it's a Titanmen alt!" is also a bit toxic. There are people looking to have legit conversations but people are quick to bully and bash using someone else from the past as an excuse. Evaluate each post separately. Remember, trolls look for conflict. So you only feed them when you start being negative to others. At least, that's how I see it.

I hope y'all have fun! Enjoy the game and try to help others do the same.

Original Post below:

I've been watching the forums a bit and seeing how dungeon runs have been. It seems like the friendly and sociable FFXIV I knew and love is slowly getting a lot of toxicity in it. It's happened in many different ways, with some being worse than others. The incident leading me to post on this was a more toned down one, but still stupid.

Tonight's issue is I was in a roulette, I saw that our Dancer not using Dance Partner. I asked if they didn't have it at the level we were synced at or if perhaps they forgot to use it? Literally just asking because I couldn't remember and figured it's possible they just completely forgot for one reason or another. I mean, I've seen tanks forget to put on tank stance, scholars forget to bring out their fairy, and all sorts of little things. They didn't respond at all, so I said, "ok, I guess you don't speak English or chose to ignore me." At that point, they exploded as if I had been calling them all sorts of names and telling them how to play, telling me to mind my role.

I mean, ffs...really? Just curious if a lot of you are noticing the same issues?

[Krotoan]

"ok, I guess you don't speak English or chose to ignore me."

This is not.. the best thing you could have said.

It's not deserving of vitriol but it's escalating for sure.



There's more people playing. More people means the chances of you meeting cruddy people has gone up. It happens. FFXIV has a generally good community but it's no utopia. Lots of newer people as well or returners who may be carrying habits over that were acceptable or commonplace in other games but not the usual for here.

[Nyarlha]

Is Dragonblanco the new Titanmen alt? This honestly feels like another bait thread that'll end up in a war between "you don't pay my sub" types and "you should have stop licking paint" types.

[Dragonblanco]

Is Dragonblanco the new Titanmen alt? This honestly feels like another bait thread that'll end up in a war between "you don't pay my sub" types and "you should have stop licking paint" types.

I certainly hope not. It's just strictly asking if people have been seeing more toxic players lately or if it's just me. I'd much rather deal without the arguments and opinions. I ask a question, often look for a legit answer. So now, are you the Titanmen alt coming here to detract from the purpose of my post and seek arguments, would you care to answer what I asked, or what's up?

[Nyarlha]

I certainly hope not. It's just strictly asking if people have been seeing more toxic players lately or if it's just me. I'd much rather deal without the arguments and opinions. I ask a question, often look for a legit answer. So now, are you the Titanmen alt coming here to detract from the purpose of my post and seek arguments, would you care to answer what I asked, or what's up?

I mean, the issue you encountered is absolutely nothing new. There has always been this kind of people in game. We have the Tales from DF thread here that has more than three thousand pages of this and there is an entire subreddit dedicated to the same thing.

We currently have more players than before, so as Krotoan said, more people means more chances to end up with this kind of person.

[Dragonblanco]

This is not.. the best thing you could have said.

It's not deserving of vitriol but it's escalating for sure.



There's more people playing. More people means the chances of you meeting cruddy people has gone up. It happens. FFXIV has a generally good community but it's no utopia. Lots of newer people as well or returners who may be carrying habits over that were acceptable or commonplace in other games but not the usual for here.

Thanks for that feedback. I didn't see it as negative but I guess I need to take their response and your feedback just to show that others can and may have perceived it differently.

And you're right on logic, more players means a little more of everything in the population...including toxic players. I guess I'm just hoping not to lose what's been such a positive and fun environment for me. Also guess was putting out feelers to see if anyone else has been having many issues or essentially what the magnitude of issues are throughout the various servers.

[Dragonblanco]

I mean, the issue you encountered is absolutely nothing new. There has always been this kind of people in game. We have the Tales from DF thread here that has more than three thousand pages of this and there is an entire subreddit dedicated to the same thing.

We currently have more players than before, so as Krotoan said, more people means more chances to end up with this kind of person.

Thanks for that awesome response. That's true. I've seen the thread you're mentioning but never did go in to read on it. I'm just sitting here working on perspective and all makes sense. Maybe this post will end up being a waste but just putting it out there to see if people feel it's a drastic change, no change at all, just same as usual with larger population, etc. Guess should also ask how people usually deal with those situations, as it's hard to know what to say or do sometimes. (Well, for me anyway)

Anyway, thanks again for legit answer.

[Nyarlha]

Thanks for that awesome response. That's true. I've seen the thread you're mentioning but never did go in to read on it. I'm just sitting here working on perspective and all makes sense. Maybe this post will end up being a waste but just putting it out there to see if people feel it's a drastic change, no change at all, just same as usual with larger population, etc. Guess should also ask how people usually deal with those situations, as it's hard to know what to say or do sometimes. (Well, for me anyway)

Anyway, thanks again for legit answer.

No worries, sorry for my abrasive first reply. You have been putting out quite a lot of threads lately and knowing these boards this one could be taken as bait by some. I guess Titanmen's schtick just made us more suspicious than warranted overtime.

[Sebazy]

Can't say I've noticed any change myself.

[Krotoan]

I guess Titanmen's schtick just made us more suspicious than warranted overtime.

I am literally holding myself back from accusing ALL the new people turning up on the forums who are necro-ing and posting hot-button topics.. because of the exact same reason we might be encountering more "rude" players..

There's a whole lot of new people incoming and that will mean even here =]

It's definitely a sad thing that one user is making us doubt anyone who isn't a "regular" but Dragonblanco here does not fit the pattern... and yeah.. I did check, I'll admit. Not just the one 80 war and magic class with 80 all crafters and the one man FC.