Thread: 1.22 - 1.22a - 1.22b changes

Originally Posted by Aceofspades

Waldo, your lost in the sauce. Just keep tanking on your WAR and leave PLD alone, if you cant handle it now, god forbid you try when content in wich PLD shines comes out... If your healer is just kick ass, then yeah, sure go with WAR , no reason not to, but since we cant all be AWSOME and most players are often avg, wich there is nothing wrong with that, ALOT of times, a good pld, who adds saftey to any party set up, is often a good choice. Personally If my healer atm was that awsome, prolly just have him/her go as THM and add more dps to make up what dps MAY be lacking, If any , Truthfully tho, WAR will obviously need more heals then PLD, soo whm would actually be able to nuke more often with pld then with war on avg , soo yeah....

First I need you to understand this isn't a personal attack against you.
Second I need you to learn how to click my name up there, check my character screen. After you've done that you'll see my warrior ( MRD actually ) is level 28. Matter of fact, paladin is my only DoW level 50.

Also Ace, I wanted to pull this up for you after following the instructions I left for you above. From:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...perience/page3

Originally Posted by Niko_Kishiko

Tonight I actually healed a paladin in a random pug who made all Ifrit wins almost as smooth as silk for the most part. Tanked as good as any war. It was a pleasure to heal. The dps took care of them selves really well too for the most part. I could run away from cracks w/ no problems and throw out stoneskin/regen/cures to DD and the tank hardly ever went red. I feel as if I could definitely solo heal this paladin with no problems if needed.

On inspecting their gear they only had 1 piece of af gear on and that was the body. Their hp was right around 4 k and they didn't feel like a mana sink when I was healing them. They had some sentinel gear and some +hp materia but nothing looked like it would be too crazy for the average player to obtain.

It was really fun healing you tonight, Lilly Grace. I'll heal you anytime. /salute You definitely changed my mind about paladins. If you ever need a heals for AV/CC/Ifrit or Mog feel free to send me a tell ^_^ b

I have a fan. I must know how to play paladin after all!

Patch 1.22b will make PLD far superior for tanking. Pld was good to begin with, and dmg wasn't "horrible" when looking at what benefits it has to bring to the table for physical dmg, ie:Riot Blade which significantly lowers a monsters def a lot. Even just for Ifrit for example when defense down was active all physical DD were dealing 1.5-2x the damage they normally would do otherwise, which even though GLA/PLD aren't as beastly dmg wise as other classes, what they have to bring to the table for the party as a whole is far more significant than the dmg one person can deal otherwise.

The HP boost was one of the other big problems which is going to be relieved in this patch as well. We all know one of the biggest reasons we bring War to raids currently is because of their HP pool and that is it, and don't tell me it isn't. haha or else we would be having BLM/DRG tank XD. But if the HP boost is significant enough or on par with War we will see a lot more PLD tanking since they will have more hp to play with; and if done right can hold hate a lot better than War on a single target.

The dmg boost is nice as well of course since it will help with the speed run aspect of a lot of content if not all at the minute while still having very beneficial effect for other DD to amp up their dmg for a short period of time.

Overall I am looking quite forward to see how significant the changes will be and finally see PLD be more reliable in end game content without having the WHM sweat bullets because the tanks hp is so low after a big hit like 100t for example.

LOL, ok well "some day" I too hope you all can tank well on PLD, till that day, I guess I will just have to be satisfied with knowing few people can tank on PLD as efficiantly as a WAR right now. Just lost as to why people are constantly crying about how much damage a block dose and yet the refuse to stack vit or def, complain about how much hate a pld pulls totaly disreguard the benifits of party cures and buffs like Rampart, and my personal favorite, cry about how little dps a TANK of all things dose and yet refuse to realize how much more beinficial it is for frontline DPS jobs to have a PLD over a WAR as main tank... soo yeah, to each their own, and I can certainly agree to disagree. But please let me re-establish, just because YOU can not do somthing, no matter how good you THINK you are, dose not mean it can not be done. As far as your fan Waldo, umm, grats, I think. Soo you managed to make a healer belive that a PLD can handle one healer, altho at l the time you still had two healers in gear that obviously did not support your natural abilities or stats that a pld's actions are based off of. Soo , good job, seriously, for somone with only one lvl 50 job, You did well, and I mean that, NOW , focus on completly removing the need for the second healer. Once you do that, obvously add the most aproriate way to add more dps, wich isnt always adding another dd job, somtimes it includes adding a job that can deliver buffs (brd) to enhance the dds that are currently in set up. Sorry If my previous statement looked like a personal attack, but in a forum full of people who insist on telling everyone that WAR is far superior, without obviously trying the , imo, obvious solutions to the current problems with PLD. These forums make me a little disapointed to be honest, always figured the best of the best players posted here when questions were asked and factiual answers are being sought out. Sadly I have found that alot of players jump to conclusions and simply post what they THINK is correct and post in such a way it sounds like fact, then when somone aposes the mass concensus and says "it can be done better with PLD" well , simply dub that person as crazy, stupid, ect ect, nevermind the fact he/she can prove it can be done.
Meh, to each their own, I guess I should be greatfull, vit and def materia has been super cheap, as well as some of the tank gear that would otherwise be realy expensive if people put any value into a PLD tank. Soo I guess Cheers to that

Originally Posted by Aceofspades

LOL, ok well "some day" I too hope you all can tank well on PLD, till that day, I guess I will just have to be satisfied with knowing few people can tank on PLD as efficiantly as a WAR right now. Just lost as to why people are constantly crying about how much damage a block dose and yet the refuse to stack vit or def, complain about how much hate a pld pulls totaly disreguard the benifits of party cures and buffs like Rampart, and my personal favorite, cry about how little dps a TANK of all things dose and yet refuse to realize how much more beinficial it is for frontline DPS jobs to have a PLD over a WAR as main tank... soo yeah, to each their own, and I can certainly agree to disagree. But please let me re-establish, just because YOU can not do somthing, no matter how good you THINK you are, dose not mean it can not be done. As far as your fan Waldo, umm, grats, I think. Soo you managed to make a healer belive that a PLD can handle one healer, altho at l the time you still had two healers in gear that obviously did not support your natural abilities or stats that a pld's actions are based off of. Soo , good job, seriously, for somone with only one lvl 50 job, You did well, and I mean that, NOW , focus on completly removing the need for the second healer. Once you do that, obvously add the most aproriate way to add more dps, wich isnt always adding another dd job, somtimes it includes adding a job that can deliver buffs (brd) to enhance the dds that are currently in set up. Sorry If my previous statement looked like a personal attack, but in a forum full of people who insist on telling everyone that WAR is far superior, without obviously trying the , imo, obvious solutions to the current problems with PLD. These forums make me a little disapointed to be honest, always figured the best of the best players posted here when questions were asked and factiual answers are being sought out. Sadly I have found that alot of players jump to conclusions and simply post what they THINK is correct and post in such a way it sounds like fact, then when somone aposes the mass concensus and says "it can be done better with PLD" well , simply dub that person as crazy, stupid, ect ect, nevermind the fact he/she can prove it can be done.
Meh, to each their own, I guess I should be greatfull, vit and def materia has been super cheap, as well as some of the tank gear that would otherwise be realy expensive if people put any value into a PLD tank. Soo I guess Cheers to that

You have not completed any current content. Paladin can do things, warrior just does them better at the moment. Please stop posting these giant unbroken walls of text.

Aceofspades I swear to god... Use linebreaks, goddamit, I can hardly read what you wrote

Made some sauce to swim in below for our "special" person on this thread~.

Aceofspades...for someone who thinks they are one of the best...you clearly don't have the comprehension of how broken Gla/Pld really is even after countless rants you post on other several forum threads on this topic. Your blatant disregard for pure fact clearly outlines your stupidity over the current situation. Warrior has ALL the abilities pertinent from Gla and Pug to make it more efficient tanking and taking less damage while still putting out second best damage class wise.

Even if we aren't looking at the aspect of War doing way more damage, lets pretend Warrior hits like a little toddler with a rubber mallet...Warrior has just as many abilities for holding hate as Paladin in any given situation so they are equal that way(not including Warrior being better for groups of targets since that should be redundantly clear >.> just so its clear for you all know who..."/stare @ Aceofspades") As well has just as much if not more abilities for negating damage altogether ie: featherfoot(1min), foresight(1min), second-wind(45sec), rampage{continuous}(although negligible is still pertinent), Sentinel(1min), Rampart(not positive on time, but it is 1min+, but being both have it meh)

Paladin on the other hand has is: Aegis Boon(1min), Holy Succor(could be using wrong name and don't care atm, as we know it is guaranteed block effect)(1min), Sentinel(1min), Rampart(both classes can use and as stated both have it so meh)

Now both are fairly balanced you would think for negating damage, but Warrior can more dependably sustain its own through negation and self restoration....and curing yourself doesn't count as the mp return from outmaneuver is nice, but negligible and Cover is pretty nice that way...but your not going to have someone run in fighting Chimera just so you can use it, same with Coin-Counter. and as far as Miser goes....oh wow look your silenced...oh i got silena....oh im silenced again...what im saying its not dependable where as second wind sure you might be amnesia'd, but oh im not amnesia'd anymore*poof used it for a good 600hp while you watch PLD try to cure self but is interrupted or silenced yet again.

Defense is a bullsh*t excuse to use when talking about taking less damage as both classes are capable of wearing the same armor and equipping the same materia...so your still going to take the same amount of damage as each other that way within 1-200 dmg whoopie and before you say oh but I have a shield...let me ask you this...you can count on this proc'ing??? uh no you can't, its a fact....so your going to take pretty d*mn close to the same damage a Warrior is....sooo that brings me to another point

Warrior has more HP pool and significantly(depending on how patch 1.22b goes this could change in comparison to PLD); which everyone with half a working brain who isn't driven to say THEY are the only good PLD or ONLY person who knows what they are doing without "getting lost in the sauce" as you said to another disrespectfully; knows that a far larger HP pool brings a lot of security to the party. Sure sure add your defense and lose out on hp and lessen the risk of a 1hit K.O....your mages are still going to have to heal just as much because you sacrificed defense for hp where as other people who decide to go HP over Defense are being cured just as much to help buffer you from that 1 hit K.O. So whether you go HP or Def it doesn't matter...which brings me to my point, Gla/Pld can choose one of these aspects HP or Def, where as Warrior has BOTH....that is either pretty nice amount of HP with high Def, insane amount of HP.

Big Joe:"Lets see who am I going to go with...I think I will go with the new born with the rubber mallet cause I don't want to risk tank death to have everyone die after or things go a rye. I would like to take you PLD, but I just don't feel as secure, maybe next time!"

Now lets incorporate something PLD doesn't have....oh damage so lets see what Big Joe has to say about this....Big Joe:"Oh awesome, not only are you great for tanking you can do insane amount of damage~! I'm glad we didn't get the PLD cause I was wondering if he would be able to take those big hits~! Plus this way is Wayyyyy more efficient"

So over all Warrior has just as much if not more self preservation abilities as PLD, but is able to do it better with the bonus of having more HP and much higher Damage which over-all doesn't just make the group feel safer through enmity generation even just through abilities like PLD, but also have an HP pool that allows for forgiveness, but also pumps out damage second to BLM making a battle far less prolonged and risky over time.

So Aceofspades next time you have something to say, try and make it a little more productive or rather realistic in comparison to your mindless rants on how your the ONLY person who knows how to play PLD or tank, or non-QQ. We all know how to play the game or at the very least are able to learn...we all have our own playing style.

Overall on a more serious note, PLD needs better natural dmg mitigation, and/or mp regeneration that is more reliable/adaptable to various situations(ie when party members are not in range to cover for mp regeneration) with larger HP pool to play with.

So far I have liked a lot of the ideas people have brought to threads like this. Keep up the good work everyone~!
Don't "get lost in the sauce" and drown now Aceofspades, don't know if there be many people to reel you back in...but I will say I would like to see you try to swim in the sauce...it looks pretty thick!

Originally Posted by 1clou

Made some sauce to swim in below for our "special" person on this thread~.

Aceofspades...for someone who thinks they are one of the best...you clearly don't have the comprehension of how broken Gla/Pld really is even after countless rants you post on other several forum threads on this topic. Your blatant disregard for pure fact clearly outlines your stupidity over the current situation. Warrior has ALL the abilities pertinent from Gla and Pug to make it more efficient tanking and taking less damage while still putting out second best damage class wise.

Even if we aren't looking at the aspect of War doing way more damage, lets pretend Warrior hits like a little toddler with a rubber mallet...Warrior has just as many abilities for holding hate as Paladin in any given situation so they are equal that way(not including Warrior being better for groups of targets since that should be redundantly clear >.> just so its clear for you all know who..."/stare @ Aceofspades") As well has just as much if not more abilities for negating damage altogether ie: featherfoot(1min), foresight(1min), second-wind(45sec), rampage{continuous}(although negligible is still pertinent), Sentinel(1min), Rampart(not positive on time, but it is 1min+, but being both have it meh)

Paladin on the other hand has is: Aegis Boon(1min), Holy Succor(could be using wrong name and don't care atm, as we know it is guaranteed block effect)(1min), Sentinel(1min), Rampart(both classes can use and as stated both have it so meh)

Now both are fairly balanced you would think for negating damage, but Warrior can more dependably sustain its own through negation and self restoration....and curing yourself doesn't count as the mp return from outmaneuver is nice, but negligible and Cover is pretty nice that way...but your not going to have someone run in fighting Chimera just so you can use it, same with Coin-Counter. and as far as Miser goes....oh wow look your silenced...oh i got silena....oh im silenced again...what im saying its not dependable where as second wind sure you might be amnesia'd, but oh im not amnesia'd anymore*poof used it for a good 600hp while you watch PLD try to cure self but is interrupted or silenced yet again.

Defense is a bullsh*t excuse to use when talking about taking less damage as both classes are capable of wearing the same armor and equipping the same materia...so your still going to take the same amount of damage as each other that way within 1-200 dmg whoopie and before you say oh but I have a shield...let me ask you this...you can count on this proc'ing??? uh no you can't, its a fact....so your going to take pretty d*mn close to the same damage a Warrior is....sooo that brings me to another point

Warrior has more HP pool and significantly(depending on how patch 1.22b goes this could change in comparison to PLD); which everyone with half a working brain who isn't driven to say THEY are the only good PLD or ONLY person who knows what they are doing without "getting lost in the sauce" as you said to another disrespectfully; knows that a far larger HP pool brings a lot of security to the party. Sure sure add your defense and lose out on hp and lessen the risk of a 1hit K.O....your mages are still going to have to heal just as much because you sacrificed defense for hp where as other people who decide to go HP over Defense are being cured just as much to help buffer you from that 1 hit K.O. So whether you go HP or Def it doesn't matter...which brings me to my point, Gla/Pld can choose one of these aspects HP or Def, where as Warrior has BOTH....that is either pretty nice amount of HP with high Def, insane amount of HP.

Big Joe:"Lets see who am I going to go with...I think I will go with the new born with the rubber mallet cause I don't want to risk tank death to have everyone die after or things go a rye. I would like to take you PLD, but I just don't feel as secure, maybe next time!"

Now lets incorporate something PLD doesn't have....oh damage so lets see what Big Joe has to say about this....Big Joe:"Oh awesome, not only are you great for tanking you can do insane amount of damage~! I'm glad we didn't get the PLD cause I was wondering if he would be able to take those big hits~! Plus this way is Wayyyyy more efficient"

So over all Warrior has just as much if not more self preservation abilities as PLD, but is able to do it better with the bonus of having more HP and much higher Damage which over-all doesn't just make the group feel safer through enmity generation even just through abilities like PLD, but also have an HP pool that allows for forgiveness, but also pumps out damage second to BLM making a battle far less prolonged and risky over time.

So Aceofspades next time you have something to say, try and make it a little more productive or rather realistic in comparison to your mindless rants on how your the ONLY person who knows how to play PLD or tank, or non-QQ. We all know how to play the game or at the very least are able to learn...we all have our own playing style.

Overall on a more serious note, PLD needs better natural dmg mitigation, and/or mp regeneration that is more reliable/adaptable to various situations(ie when party members are not in range to cover for mp regeneration) with larger HP pool to play with.

So far I have liked a lot of the ideas people have brought to threads like this. Keep up the good work everyone~!
Don't "get lost in the sauce" and drown now Aceofspades, don't know if there be many people to reel you back in...but I will say I would like to see you try to swim in the sauce...it looks pretty thick!

OMG you have opened my eyes, how could I have ever though that PLD was not broken and is perfectly capable of performing as well if not better in some cases as a WAR. BLAH BLAH BLAH, heard it all before. The fact you even replied in such length means I must of hit a nerve. Soo you too must be one who insists that becuase he can not do it , it simply can not be done, get in line behind all the other "Elitest" who say it can't be done, in the mean time I'm going to enjoy getting it done with PLD, as far as doing all the new content, yeah , I have yet to do it all, but to say that its because I tank on PLD and has nothing to do with any other contributing factor (leveling crafting jobs, helping my LS with content they have yet to complete, farming old content for drops , doing other new content other then endgame..ect ect) yeah none of that could possably be why I have yet to beat the 2 new dungeons or garuda, It is all because PLD sucks and I am stupid, while we are at it, feel free to put all that high def/vit pld gear up in the wards for super cheap since it sucks soo badly, I am always looking for a cheap set of gear to attempt triple melds on