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    Sasagawa's Avatar
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    Seriy Anaplian
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    DD glad two swords no shield or less damage mitigation fair enough

    But DD PLD no thanks

    PLD are stalwarts of the defense ONLY jin my opinion
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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    They should get rid of the Block stat and replace it with pure Defense.
    This way, we can at last have a far better defense than other classes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    They should get rid of the Block stat and replace it with pure Defense.
    This way, we can at last have a far better defense than other classes.
    I agree with ya on that, atm block appears to be disabled in shields damage calculation formula, although they may make it where it will take off additional damage off set mitigation for blocking (which would be great knocking a 600 DMG move to 300 with another -120 reduced off the top.) And of course extra defense from a shield would actually put us a league ahead of WAR without going balls out double/triple melding gear.
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    Daniel Fury
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    Just wanted to add something I noticed.

    I was tanking Garuda last night again as a Warrior. I noticed partial parries were parrying for 500ish damage.

    We decided to do a run with at least one of every class and of course I shined at the chance to use Paladin.

    All of my blocks were never higher than 4XX damage.

    This parry was a random parry that occured without the use of Foresight.

    I am unsure if it was just a bad parry but I want to look into this a bit.

    I also wanted to test out the new mitigation from a shield on a level 99 goblin headman. With a parry from foresight, my damage taken was reduced from 9999 to 5.7k.

    Now this part made me laugh, I chucked Divine Veil on and ran straight to the goblin and partial blocked his attack for 9999 damage. lol.

    Foresight gives a great parry for like 2 damage taken on Garuda, Aegis for 0. But for partial parry vs partial block. Block seems to be in favour as far as I have seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel_Fury;
    I also wanted to test out the new mitigation from a shield on a level 99 goblin headman. With a parry from foresight, my damage taken was reduced from 9999 to 5.7k.

    Now this part made me laugh, I chucked Divine Veil on and ran straight to the goblin and partial blocked his attack for 9999.
    Should this end the debate about paladin being broken, or at very least warrior being overpowered?
    I think yes.
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    Last edited by waldo; 05-03-2012 at 02:10 PM.

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    Aion Zwei
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    Quote Originally Posted by waldo View Post
    Should this end the debate about paladin being broken, or at very least warrior being overpowered?
    I think yes.
    we need to spam this quote in General section
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    Will Brannigan
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    Quote Originally Posted by waldo View Post
    Should this end the debate about paladin being broken, or at very least warrior being overpowered?
    I think yes.
    That test doesn't say anything. No shit, Divine Veil triggers normal blocks. Foresight has always buffed your parry power way up. Had he gotten a regular, non-foresight parry he'd probably have taken 9999.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brannigan View Post
    That test doesn't say anything. No shit, Divine Veil triggers normal blocks. Foresight has always buffed your parry power way up. Had he gotten a regular, non-foresight parry he'd probably have taken 9999.
    I disagree, I think it says a WHOLE lot. Parry of attacks takes a lot less damage than blocked attacks, there is no way anyone can argue that. This is just another example of that. It's well known that *all* partial parry reduces damage by more than partial shield blocks. That's not new news, it's well documented. I will say though, he would have never gotten a parry if foresight wasn't up, but then again, he would have never gotten a shield block if DV wasn't up either.
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    Last edited by waldo; 05-03-2012 at 08:00 PM. Reason: Typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by waldo View Post
    I disagree, I think it says a WHOLE lot. Parry of attacks takes a lot less damage than blocked attacks, there is no way anyone can argue that. This is just another example of that. It's well known that *all* partial parry reduces damage by more than partial shield blocks. That's not new news, it's well documented. I will say though, he would have never gotten a parry if foresight wasn't up, but then again, he would have never gotten a shield block if DV wasn't up either.
    not even sure why people keep comparing the two... Parry happens far less especially now that devine veil is 100% block rate for 20 seconds on a 60 second cool down, soo 40 seconds after each time you spam devine veild you get another 100% block rate for yet another 20 seconds. Parry is not only completely unpredictable, but for that reason is totaly unreliable. even if parry was 100% of the damage , I would put my money on the ability to purposly time a 100% block rate over the random act of parry.
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    Daniel Fury
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aceofspades View Post
    not even sure why people keep comparing the two... Parry happens far less especially now that devine veil is 100% block rate for 20 seconds on a 60 second cool down, soo 40 seconds after each time you spam devine veild you get another 100% block rate for yet another 20 seconds. Parry is not only completely unpredictable, but for that reason is totaly unreliable. even if parry was 100% of the damage , I would put my money on the ability to purposly time a 100% block rate over the random act of parry.
    Not looking at parry rate vs block rate. Looking at parry mitigation vs block mitigation.
    Which one absorbs more damage.
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