Harassment+death threats allowed...warning for thing I didn't do upheld?

[Verendal]

Particularly when I DO NOT VOTE KICK AND HAVE NOT IN OVER A YEAR

[Roeshel]

Reports on vote kicking. SMH. So ridiculous that anyone could receive any kind of punishment for such an innocuous action.

What? Vote kicking is not an innocuous action. I have reported many premade groups and random people for vote kicking willy nilly. They are wasting my time by forcing me to queue again for the dungeon so in the time I am waiting for my queue to pop up again I write the reports. It is only fair. You didn't bother to talk and neither will I, you reached out to another person to back you up to go through with the kick, I will do the same and kick you from the game.

[Dragonblanco]

I've been dealing with harassment for a while now. Not just people openly seeking me out explicitly to give me trouble, argue with everything I say just because it's be saying it...but up to, and including, getting actual death threats, a person who is *still an active, paid subscription* as of this moment told me they would packet sniff my location, make my life hell, kill my family and kill me. Their exact words included 'fight me irl tough guy' 'Stfu b4 I come kill u' 'Wyat's your address' 'I'll found out where you live. Youl like me right' 'How many children do you have' 'Wife?' 'A dox should tell me' 'I'm gonna make your life hell'.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...31/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...86/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...90/unknown.png
There, with names hidden for obvious reasons, hence the...broken up nature I had someone else's tell mixed into that..

This sort of thing? Allowed. That person is still there. The person who has spent a year and a half, near two years, randomly attacking me, going to my friends-in game no less-to try and get them to stop being friends with me, to try and get me removed from groups, the multitudes of people who've sent me screenshots of this person going into groups to trash talk me, the times they've gone ingame and mocked my dead family, tried to get me to 'forgive them because that's what my grandfather(now dead, one of the only family members I cared to listen to for much of my life) would want, repeatedly and deliberately used alts to bypass my blacklist, multiple community members have attempted to negotiate peace to get the constant public attacks to stop because SE has refused to act to prevent this...that person is still here.

Now I've been told by a GM I have a warning on my account for...invalid use of vote kick? I haven't SEEN a vote kick in six months. I haven't initiated one in well over a year. Last one I saw was a dps votekicking a tank in aurum vale who was in sub-hall of the novice gear and spewing racial slurs along with telling the rest of us to stop being s*** and do better. After waiting two weeks on appealing, they..upheld it. What the hell is going on with GM staff? Why are open death threats and repeated use of alts to harass and bypass blacklist when it was explicitly stated I do not want to talk to them allowed...but I get a warning for something I didn't even do?

This somehow feels like a thread meant to start arguments. Guessing because there's a lot of things that don't make sense in it. For example, why didn't you block/ignore them? Why not report them to GM and have people who send you those screenshots also report it to GM? Heck, it you took it seriously at all, you could always have filed a police report. At least the latter could help, especially with how many times there have been people who ended up placing false reports in and police storm houses of gamers.

More importantly though, you were sitting there arguing and fighting back. Ffs...let's look at screenshots you showed. There's > which is person you're complaining about and then there's "r" which is you.

So it starts off with them saying "f you"
Then you say take it up with GMs.
They tell you not to mock them.
You tell them to stop doing things to be mocked.
They say "fight me in real life tough guy"
You say you don't do irl fighting
He calls you a pus$%#
You say "I have friends hit them over the head and let cops drag them off!""
etc.....

Basically. you're both little kids and doing things that should get both of your accounts suspended. But in what you showed, it looks like you were the bully and were instigating the problem. Don't forget, they can look into chat records and all. So if you indeed are the troublemaker, I'd stop making a scene with it.

[Verendal]

Missing the point completely. *why is there a mark on my account for something I didn't do when someone making death threats is still active*

[Seera1024]

Missing the point completely. *why is there a mark on my account for something I didn't do when someone making death threats is still active*

Because getting death threats doesn't negate any past wrong doings or make you immune from the consequences of wrong doings done after receiving them.

Given you said you appealed, either your memory's faulty and they did find fault with a kick you've participated in or you're not telling us the entire story. And likely at this point, unless it's faulty memory and you suddenly remember the occasion, we'll likely never know. SE are pretty tight lipped about rule violation discussions to prevent players who get reported from knowing who reported them.

[Verendal]

I have always considered votekick an absolute last resort. People refusing to do mechs and causing the party to wipe multiple times, where their presence is actively preventing the group from clearing. Tanks not using stance and causing repeated wipes, ignoring repeated requests, I'll even warn dps 'hey, gonna hold back this pull, see if they pay attention to chat when they see nobody else joining' because I don't want my party members to die. I make every possible effort to see a group clear before even considering kick, because that is the goal. Adapt to the group's needs, try to get the clear. I'd rather wipe for an hour and teach someone, get the clear, than kick someone. There is something else here, either mass false reports that did not get properly investigated or someone's got a friend.

[Shinxwildflower]

There is something else here, either mass false reports that did not get properly investigated or someone's got a friend.

You're basically going into crazy theories now, because, frankly, you're fishing for reasons to cast blame onto something when it's clearly you're hiding something. Why do I say that? Because it rather weird to read you said you're getting harassed, but felt the need to bring up getting action for a vote kick that'd basically be meaningless in the bigger picture.

[Krotoan]

I've been dealing with harassment for a while now. Not just people openly seeking me out explicitly to give me trouble, argue with everything I say just because it's be saying it...but up to, and including, getting actual death threats, a person who is *still an active, paid subscription* as of this moment told me they would packet sniff my location, make my life hell, kill my family and kill me. Their exact words included 'fight me irl tough guy' 'Stfu b4 I come kill u' 'Wyat's your address' 'I'll found out where you live. Youl like me right' 'How many children do you have' 'Wife?' 'A dox should tell me' 'I'm gonna make your life hell'.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...31/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...86/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...90/unknown.png
There, with names hidden for obvious reasons, hence the...broken up nature I had someone else's tell mixed into that..

This sort of thing? Allowed. That person is still there. The person who has spent a year and a half, near two years, randomly attacking me, going to my friends-in game no less-to try and get them to stop being friends with me, to try and get me removed from groups, the multitudes of people who've sent me screenshots of this person going into groups to trash talk me, the times they've gone ingame and mocked my dead family, tried to get me to 'forgive them because that's what my grandfather(now dead, one of the only family members I cared to listen to for much of my life) would want, repeatedly and deliberately used alts to bypass my blacklist, multiple community members have attempted to negotiate peace to get the constant public attacks to stop because SE has refused to act to prevent this...that person is still here.

Now I've been told by a GM I have a warning on my account for...invalid use of vote kick? I haven't SEEN a vote kick in six months. I haven't initiated one in well over a year. Last one I saw was a dps votekicking a tank in aurum vale who was in sub-hall of the novice gear and spewing racial slurs along with telling the rest of us to stop being s*** and do better. After waiting two weeks on appealing, they..upheld it. What the hell is going on with GM staff? Why are open death threats and repeated use of alts to harass and bypass blacklist when it was explicitly stated I do not want to talk to them allowed...but I get a warning for something I didn't even do?

... So what were you mocking them for?

(this does not imply I am OK with death threats, stop typing)

[Jadedsins]

As someone who dealt with a stalker and it was so bad had his ls also do it. I understand the pain you are going through, and at the time I also posted about it and it started a flame war with the community. This was during Heavenward, so i thought things have changed since that time.


Also you can really get reported for vote kicking? Good to know

[Jijifli]

Okay, so, let me help here, as someone with a similar enough experience.

I doubt the argument here is "take my infraction away." It's more "Why am I getting an infraction for a more minor issue, but there's a player actively harassing (against tos), stalking (against tos), slander (against tos), and these are to the point of death threats, and that didn't appear to get so much as a warning. Assuming they did, the continued behavior would result in a ban, no?

That's the focus, not "I want my infraction removed cuz there's worse people" it's "Why is worse stuff not dealt with? Would it not be fair for both to suffer?"

I had to deal with someone for months who'd publicly harass me and slander me, and even went after my friends and fc members to try and get them to hate me. Square did nothing, during the entire time. It only stopped because eventually the community got annoyed with them telling everyone how horrible of a person i am for breathing for months on end in shout chat. According to my multitude of tickets of response, and lack of result from them, to the point where Square was auto closing my own tickets over the subject because they didn't wanna talk about it anymore, they do not see any issue with it.

Despite that, I have a three day because I got angry at a leech, who jumped off the platform in a trial and stayed dead, and ended up swearing at him. I swore, so I got slapped, that was the specific section they mentioned. Wasn't hard to figure out which situation on my end (which should be a good thing, no? Means I'm not constantly doing that kind of thing), but I ended up getting confused. If I swear at someone and that's a 3 day, why is what happened to me perfectly fine?

The point is, it's not. Nobody should have to deal with these threats, empty or no.