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  1. #21
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    Prishax's Avatar
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    Prishax Rynalia
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    Monk has really fast(low) GDC on max level with just the passives and some gear bonus stats, socketing speed materia is just a waste of stats. Basically every source in the net tells you that you should go for crit > DH > everything else. Also positioning boost is one of the less important things as a monk and you can´t even use all positionals(the damage boosted versions only i mean) on many types of content. Some people say Monk needs much positioning while thats half true at best. What Monk really brings forward is the right use of Six Sided Star and Forbidden Chakra which doesn´t need any positioning just the right order/combos of GDC and OGCD usage. Compared to that the positioning boosts are a joke, while, i repeat myself, you cant even use all positioning boosts often depending on content. It´s rather a little extra you may use if you can to increase your dps a little but it´s really not a big part of your damage/dps. Basically you are good to go if you just keep attacking from the side, while you won´t be able to attack from the back at quiet many types of bosses anyway.
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    Last edited by Prishax; 07-31-2021 at 05:41 AM.

  2. #22
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    Kolsykol's Avatar
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    Aelona Chillwind
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    Lich
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Prishax View Post
    Monk has really fast(low) GDC on max level with just the passives and some gear bonus stats, socketing speed materia is just a waste of stats. Basically every source in the net tells you that you should go for crit > DH > everything else. Also positioning boost is one of the less important things as a monk and you can´t even use all positionals(the damage boosted versions only i mean) on many types of content. Some people say Monk needs much positioning while thats half true at best. What Monk really brings forward is the right use of Six Sided Star and Forbidden Chakra which doesn´t need any positioning just the right order/combos of GDC and OGCD usage. Compared to that the positioning boosts are a joke, while, i repeat myself, you cant even use all positioning boosts often depending on content. It´s rather a little extra you may use if you can to increase your dps a little but it´s really not a big part of your damage/dps. Basically you are good to go if you just keep attacking from the side, while you won´t be able to attack from the back at quiet many types of bosses anyway.
    OP....
    Do NOT listen to this person.

    They're just wrong and think that everyone else except them is playing MNK wrong including people who benchmark and make guides.
    The only thing Prishax said that wasn't wrong is that the substat prio is crit > dh > det > sks ( a balance of dh and det seems prefered on MNK tho ).
    But you still need to reach 1.96 GCD, you should avoid going above that if you can and don't go bellow it.

    Edit: Positionals are absolutely 110% necessary you are losing out on A LOT of damage if you ignore them and Six Sided Strike is not part of your rotation it's utility if you have to leave the boss for a mechanic.
    I think Prishax is either a troll or is talking about Delubrum Reginae where bosses have no positional requirements or big bosses that are facing you and you can't get behind but those bosses still count as being hit by positionals from the front and they're a very small minority of the fights so it still makes no sense.
    But Prishax is still wrong regardless because positionals is a big part of your damage.
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    Last edited by Kolsykol; 07-31-2021 at 06:44 AM.

  3. #23
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    Ramura_Sono's Avatar
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    R'amura Sono
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    Adamantoise
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    Miner Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Prishax View Post
    Monk has really fast(low) GDC on max level with just the passives and some gear bonus stats, socketing speed materia is just a waste of stats. Basically every source in the net tells you that you should go for crit > DH > everything else. Also positioning boost is one of the less important things as a monk and you can´t even use all positionals(the damage boosted versions only i mean) on many types of content. Some people say Monk needs much positioning while thats half true at best. What Monk really brings forward is the right use of Six Sided Star and Forbidden Chakra which doesn´t need any positioning just the right order/combos of GDC and OGCD usage. Compared to that the positioning boosts are a joke, while, i repeat myself, you cant even use all positioning boosts often depending on content. It´s rather a little extra you may use if you can to increase your dps a little but it´s really not a big part of your damage/dps. Basically you are good to go if you just keep attacking from the side, while you won´t be able to attack from the back at quiet many types of bosses anyway.
    Main Monk here you need to check your rotation... we start: Form Shift, Shoulder tackle, Anatman only 2 stacks, true north, Dragon Kick, Bootshine, Twin snakes, Snap punch, True north, Dragon Kick, Bootshine, Twin snakes, Snap punch.. now you have 10%+ damage for 8 sec and 4 stacks of greased lighting... Riddle of fire 25%+ damage, "Six-sided star", The forbiden chakra, Brotherhood, "Six sided star", Elixir field, "Six sided star", the forbiden chakra, "Six sided star", Tornado kick.... Perfect balance x 4 times Snap punch, and you have again 4 greased lighting.... sometimes i steal the aggro from the tank. but again i main Monk.

    :P
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  4. #24
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    Darkstride's Avatar
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    Ruin Darkstride
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    Excalibur
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramura_Sono View Post
    Main Monk here you need to check your rotation... we start: Form Shift, Shoulder tackle, Anatman only 2 stacks, true north, Dragon Kick, Bootshine, Twin snakes, Snap punch, True north, Dragon Kick, Bootshine, Twin snakes, Snap punch.. now you have 10%+ damage for 8 sec and 4 stacks of greased lighting... Riddle of fire 25%+ damage, "Six-sided star", The forbiden chakra, Brotherhood, "Six sided star", Elixir field, "Six sided star", the forbiden chakra, "Six sided star", Tornado kick.... Perfect balance x 4 times Snap punch, and you have again 4 greased lighting.... sometimes i steal the aggro from the tank. but again i main Monk.

    :P
    Given that you're a Monk main, I'd like to know how you're gaining 4 stacks of Greased Lightning since it was removed as a mechanic and is now instead a Trait.
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  5. #25
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    Kolsykol's Avatar
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    Aelona Chillwind
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    Lich
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    Ninja Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkstride View Post
    Given that you're a Monk main, I'd like to know how you're gaining 4 stacks of Greased Lightning since it was removed as a mechanic and is now instead a Trait.
    And also no..............
    Don't use SSS in your single target rotation...

    OP please if you're gonna play MNK join the Discord server called '' The Balance '' and look at the guides there, some of what I see people say on these forums is hurting my soul lol.
    None of this even makes logical sense either so it's also hurting my head.

    Edit: To be clear yes, SSS is a single target ability.
    But you should only use it when the boss is going away or you have to go away from the boss for a mechanic.
    It's not part of your actual rotation.

    Edit 2: Actually based on what I've been reading lately maybe join the Discord regardless of what you play.
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    Last edited by Kolsykol; 07-31-2021 at 11:53 AM.

  6. #26
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    Chloe Redstone
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    Phoenix
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Levelling alt-jobs doesn't take months.

    Simply having a higher level job means the lower get XP gain. You have food buff, FC-XP buff, ring + earring items that give you +XP below certain levels (with the latest earrings from Endwalker pre-order being usable up to level 80), daily roulette spam, Khloe Journal (which practically gave me a whole level for what I'm levelling right now - which was 60 at the time - with me 4% from 71 the next day just chilling in max-level dungeon spam.

    That doesn't include other activities - Gangos, PotD/HoH, first-time completion of dungeons/trials as a new job, synced dungeons, the job questlines, and whatever tonne of other things I'm missing.

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    With all that in mind, the last thing you should do is ask other people what they think you might like -- because they're not you and will never know. People can maybe tip the balance if you're on the fence via certain info (like playstyles), but really, only you will know what you'll end up liking. I never thought in a million years I'd like Black Mage, yet it easily because a firm favourite whenever I want to dish damage. I main a Healer, yet I have 3 max-level tanks and Dark Knight at level 50 after a day of chilling. I play whatever depending on my mood rather than worry about a 'main', which I'd only really consider if I was constantly pushing in Extreme/Savage/Ultimate, and even then you can still flex with jobs.

    This is a game where you should think less about "Which SINGLE class will I like" -- >>> replace that with "Let me try them all and see which ones takes my fancy". If you like one now, use that to push the MSQ, then use experimentation to pass the time. See what the other jobs feel like to you. Maybe one will take over as your new main, maybe one won't.

    Do bear in mind that, being an MMORPG, classes will also change over time. What you might not like now, you may have liked before, or a different version in the future. It's why you should just dabble between jobs once you have the MSQ complete and experiment.
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    Last edited by RopeDrink; 08-05-2021 at 09:26 AM.

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