The game should have alcohol

[Wilford111]

Why get drunk in-game when you can just get drunk irl and have the same in-game results?

Definitely should not incorporate it into raid mechanics either. Forcing something like intoxicity onto players would be a bad thing since a fair amount of people try to stay away from alcohol or know someone who is an alcoholic. Or just plain consider it immoral.

[Theodric]

I grew up with an alcoholic as a father. I survived getting stabbed by him during a drunken rage back when I was a teenager. Some people have issues with the substance, sure, but I do not believe that those who do act responsibly should miss out as a result.

I don't drink much of the stuff myself in the real world but I value immersion in the settings I invest in and can easily envision my character drinking alcohol from time to time. I'd like for that to be something more visible within the game itself.

Those who do not want their character to consume any alcohol...need not have them do so.

[ForctyusGold]

I grew up with an alcoholic as a father. I survived getting stabbed by him during a drunken rage back when I was a teenager. Some people have issues with the substance, sure, but I do not believe that those who do act responsibly should miss out as a result.

I don't drink much of the stuff myself in the real world but I value immersion in the settings I invest in and can easily envision my character drinking alcohol from time to time. I'd like for that to be something more visible within the game itself.

Those who do not want their character to consume any alcohol...need not have them do so.

there is nothing wrong about alcohol when youre drinking in small portions, thing is, that alcohol would be picture as a fun thing, something when youre drinking youre cool etc. thats my problem. even adults dont know theyre addicted. as someone said, try not to drink for lets say one week or month and see if you can resist. having this feature in game when its not yet here is just big no for me

[Roeshel]

there is nothing wrong about alcohol when youre drinking in small portions,

Really?

Alcohol is a toxic substance for the human body. Regular consumption of alcohol is mainly linked with increased cancer rates and other complications with your body. The "Low-risk" is 14 units per week which is falsely considered "safe" by some people. There is no safe amount of drinking alcohol. Anything more than 14 units per week and you significantly start increasing your chances of getting a stroke, heart and liver disease, cancer of the mount, throat, and breasts, brain damage, and damage to other parts of your nervous system. These are the illnesses regular drinking of alcohol can bring you over the course of 10-20 years.

Alcohol is not even tasty aside from being completely unhealthy. I don't know how people are drinking it. I tried a couple of times and wanted to vomit after the first sip.

[Shougun]

Really?

Alcohol is a toxic substance for the human body. Regular consumption of alcohol is mainly linked with increased cancer rates and other complications with your body. The "Low-risk" is 14 units per week which is falsely considered "safe" by some people. There is no safe amount of drinking alcohol. Anything more than 14 units per week and you significantly start increasing your chances of getting a stroke, heart and liver disease, cancer of the mount, throat, and breasts, brain damage, and damage to other parts of your nervous system. These are the illnesses regular drinking of alcohol can bring you over the course of 10-20 years.

Alcohol is not even tasty aside from being completely unhealthy. I don't know how people are drinking it. I tried a couple of times and wanted to vomit after the first sip.

Just to play a slant of devils advocate we could be doing this about the common diet so high in sugars (or carbs, the quantity many eat is not necessary and is mostly a result of pleasure, culture issues, and stress management). The common diet is truly slowly killing many people, too large of a weight is becoming more and more common- people are straining their body significantly and greatly shortening both the general length of their lives and quality of that length.

Not that it should matter, but said by a large guy (6'1'' 260lb) - not a skinny person looking down on everyone lol.

There are many foods in FFXIV could fall under "purely for pleasure' as it's relatively non-valuable for the body to consume. Certainly you can do things to lessen the issue, eat a bunch of junk food but you're an Olympic power athlete.. well.. fine.. But your body in occasional quantities could do that to alcohol too (obviously frequently and in large quantities your body would be giving up, but same to 'junk food').

Which isn't to say ban all food lol, that'd be silly, but no alcohol imo is along the lines of "no junk food in FFXIV". Ban the Twinkies! lol

While vices are important to be managed or they can go all sorts of wrong... I think, at least currently, vices are very much a natural part of our lives that we take part in at all ages (junk for for kids, not saying lets get kids smoking lol).

Also imo there are some very tasty drinks, and some very very .. non-tasty drinks. You just probably didn't give many a try because you're already with a predisposed negative outlook on the idea (which is fine), but to say the variety of flavors in drinks is absolutely insane. I've a plum wine right now that is sweeter than most soda and you can't really taste the alcohol but you feel it internally lol. Personally I do limit drinking because I don't fancy the idea of being drunk, or causing severe stress to my body (am trying to be less weighty too :P), but all in good time.

[Roeshel]

Just to play a slant of devils advocate we could be doing this about the common diet so high in sugars (or carbs, the quantity many eat is not necessary and is mostly a result of pleasure, culture issues, and stress management). The common diet is truly slowly killing many people, too large of a weight is becoming more and more common- people are straining their body significantly and greatly shortening both the general length of their lives and quality of that length.

Not that it should matter, but said by a large guy (6'1'' 260lb) - not a skinny person looking down on everyone lol.

There are many foods in FFXIV could fall under "purely for pleasure' as it's relatively non-valuable for the body to consume. Certainly you can do things to lessen the issue, eat a bunch of junk food but you're an Olympic power athlete.. well.. fine.. But your body in occasional quantities could do that to alcohol too (obviously frequently and in large quantities your body would be giving up, but same to 'junk food').

Which isn't to say ban all food lol, that'd be silly, but no alcohol imo is along the lines of "no junk food in FFXIV". Ban the Twinkies! lol

While vices are important to be managed or they can go all sorts of wrong... I think, at least currently, vices are very much a natural part of our lives that we take part in at all ages (junk for for kids, not saying lets get kids smoking lol).

Also imo there are some very tasty drinks, and some very very .. non-tasty drinks. You just probably didn't give many a try because you're already with a predisposed negative outlook on the idea (which is fine), but to say the variety of flavors in drinks is absolutely insane. I've a plum wine right now that is sweeter than most soda and you can't really taste the alcohol but you feel it internally lol. Personally I do limit drinking because I don't fancy the idea of being drunk, or causing severe stress to my body (am trying to be less weighty too :P), but all in good time.

People can't live without food. Food is a necessity. Alcohol, on the other hand, is pure poison. They sell it to young adults so that when they grow old they will live on medications. You get cheated into "feeling better" and they get your money systematically.

I don't excuse the overeating habits some people have. Usually, if everything is fine with a person their body should send the appropriate signals to stop eating. People getting severely overweight is a sign that something is just wrong and not working as intended. It's not that they are gluttons or something like that, they actually can't stop eating.

[JTF-Taru]

Really?

Alcohol is a toxic substance for the human body. Regular consumption of alcohol is mainly linked with increased cancer rates and other complications with your body. The "Low-risk" is 14 units per week which is falsely considered "safe" by some people. There is no safe amount of drinking alcohol. Anything more than 14 units per week and you significantly start increasing your chances of getting a stroke, heart and liver disease, cancer of the mount, throat, and breasts, brain damage, and damage to other parts of your nervous system. These are the illnesses regular drinking of alcohol can bring you over the course of 10-20 years.

Alcohol is not even tasty aside from being completely unhealthy. I don't know how people are drinking it. I tried a couple of times and wanted to vomit after the first sip.

I have news for you kiddo. Everything you eat, drink and breathe is bad for you. Tap water is full of metals, hormones, herbicides and chloramines. Fruit is covered in pesticides, fish is full of mercury, most packaged food/drink has BPA in it, most rice contains arsenic, everything has too much sugar in it and over time, your body accumulates so many toxins and heavy metals from just breathing and living in urban environments that most human carcasses would be refused entry to a landfill site on the grounds they're toxic waste.

Oh, and if you're lucky enough to be American, your food includes so much mould, insects and excrement, the US government literally mandates how much exactly is allowed before action needs to be taken.

In short, alcohol in moderation isn't really going to do much harm to anyone in the long run. If it makes you feel any better, Earth is due for its own Calamity in the next few years so I really wouldn't worry about minor vices now.

[Shougun]

I grew up with an alcoholic as a father. I survived getting stabbed by him during a drunken rage back when I was a teenager. Some people have issues with the substance, sure, but I do not believe that those who do act responsibly should miss out as a result.

I don't drink much of the stuff myself in the real world but I value immersion in the settings I invest in and can easily envision my character drinking alcohol from time to time. I'd like for that to be something more visible within the game itself.

Those who do not want their character to consume any alcohol...need not have them do so.

I send you hugs. . <3

i should agree. but i wouldnt. sorry. said my piece. but im minority. so well i accept your thoughts. there is no way to arguing. and it wasnt my intention.

Can I ask what delineates killing, stealing, and things like that from gambling and drinking?

[Shougun]

Maybe it's becuase of WoW, I'm not sure, but I really felt the tavern vibe, and drinking, is underplayed in this game. Walking into a tavern, the music changing to this drinking jolly jig music (or whatever), crackling fire, voice / ambient music (hearing cups, chatter, etc), and of course it was a home point system. Honestly was a -joy- to find new taverns and mark your home for a while.

When I'm playing board games with my wife we play WoW tavern music by everness or one of those people who post ambient music videos on youtube, I've not played WoW in /years/ (though I pay attention just in case there are good ideas I think FFXIV should poach and do better, like WoW did to everquest), and my wife gives no care for most games in general but we both really enjoy that aspect for atmosphere.

To be fair the vibe, I feel, has some presence in some parts of Witcher as well (I also have witcher inn/tavern/gwent ambient music video lol).

The fact you could drink with friends, or that you could drink at all and it was just silly, was added fun. Of course, imo, one of the things FFXIV could improve quite a bit and take notes of from WoW is that sense of existence and actions that have little but 'fun' to do with the game- like drinking, or the nifty gadgets, action-able role play aspects, and other items that just exist because 'they can'. One of the few, very few, things I think WoW still has some edge on FFXIV. I would still sell FFXIV to players as the better MMO in a heartbeat, but that is one of the ones I'm like ... "aw, kind of miss that".

[SturmChurro]

I'm sure the people who run/participate in club or bar venues would love this addition.