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    Wow developers have posted that development for WOW is halted until further notice. I predicted this on the wow forums and got ridiculed badly for it. I feel vindicated but sad too. Despite the company issues the game was good.

    That said, I’d expect this fall to see huge numbers of players looking for a game to play, and with EW coming out the hold outs will probably make their way to FF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirCadogan View Post
    Wow developers have posted that development for WOW is halted until further notice.
    Really?
    I haven't heard about this and I can't google anything up about it.
    Can you provide a link please?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    Really?
    I haven't heard about this and I can't google anything up about it.
    Can you provide a link please?
    Peruse the Twitter link:
    https://twitter.com/JeffAHamilton/st...15702569472003
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    Apoligies letter incoming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pirana1 View Post
    I find it odd that someone can have a great experience in a community that is being sued for fostering "frat-boy culture" unless you are fine with men being subtly sexists on a daily basis. The guy is BS. He is actually denying that Blizard has a frat-boy culture but at the same time allegedly sides against them by saying "oh no I am so disappointed by their reaction"

    The actual quote:
    "I find Activision’s corporate response wholly unacceptable. I don't stand by it, any of it. It is evil to usurp a victim’s story into a rhetorical bludgeon, and it is abhorrent to reply to these accusations with anything other than a well-thought-out plan to correct these abuses."

    He is saying nothing here. That's his attempt of trying to appear trustworthy. What he really wants to do is to hide the fact that he is a paid actor who is trying to deny the fact that Blizard is fostering "frat-boy culture" through social media.

    EDIT:

    To quote:

    "OK. I’m still hopeful my team will make a statement, but Activision’s statement was terrible, so here's what I believe. I know many of my colleagues believe this as well:"
    ... (a couple of tweets later)
    "I deeply love my team. I believe in my coworkers. I have recommended this place as a beacon to people I care deeply about, and in my personal experience, it has been that beacon. But it is DAMNINGLY OBVIOUS that that experience has not been universal. The people who were harmed by abuse - they deserved that experience too."

    Blizard is a "beacon" just "not universal". This completely contradicts what the company is being sued for. Blizard is the place where women get paid less and are less likely to get a promotion aside from the many other misogynistic things they had to endure. Blizard has never been a beacon.
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    Last edited by Roeshel; 07-26-2021 at 08:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    I find it odd that someone can have a great experience in a community that is being sued for fostering "frat-boy culture" unless you are fine with men being subtly sexists on a daily basis. The guy is BS. He is actually denying that Blizard has a frat-boy culture but at the same time allegedly sides against them by saying "oh no I am so disappointed by their reaction"

    The actual quote:
    "I find Activision’s corporate response wholly unacceptable. I don't stand by it, any of it. It is evil to usurp a victim’s story into a rhetorical bludgeon, and it is abhorrent to reply to these accusations with anything other than a well-thought-out plan to correct these abuses."

    He is saying nothing here. That's his attempt of trying to appear trustworthy. What he really wants to do is to hide the fact that he is a paid actor who is trying to deny the fact that Blizard is fostering "frat-boy culture" through social media.
    I don't understand how you got that out of what he said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolsykol View Post
    I don't understand how you got that out of what he said.
    When the company has seemingly decent people step forward like that guy did, Blizard can make the argument that they are not actually fostering a frat-boy culture which is the allegation they are being sued for.
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    Last edited by Roeshel; 07-26-2021 at 08:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    When the company has seemingly decent people step forward like that guy did, Blizard can make the argument that they are not actually fostering a frat-boy culture which is the allegation they are being sued for.
    He never said that they haven't, he said that he has been lucky to not experience it but that he feels bad that others haven't been so lucky.
    Which is probably the case, not every team have had this problem based on what I've seen.

    If anything I think he might just be trying to protect his friends on his team who are not bad people because some are harassing and going after just random Blizzard devs.
    And he's trying to say that most people at Blizzard are good and don't deserve to get harassed which I'd imagine is true.
    Blizzard is massive, not everyone is going to have the same experience.
    I mean ultimately they wouldn't have been able to put games out if it was just a complete circus at the office.

    Even if you may have heard about some things too it doesn't mean that you knew the details and just how bad it was.
    Even with people in charge, Blizzard devs have mentioned that they tried to contact them but that HR intercepted them and then gaslit and scolded them over it.
    A similar thing happened at Weta Workshop too, HR is like this wall inbetween the employees and the people up top and they go out of their way to silence things and shove it under the rug.
    I think there's genuinely a lot of things that were just shoved under the rug without those not directly involved even finding out about the real extent of it and being under the impression that HR is/ has dealt with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    I find it odd that someone can have a great experience in a community that is being sued for fostering "frat-boy culture" unless you are fine with men being subtly sexists on a daily basis. The guy is BS. He is actually denying that Blizard has a frat-boy culture but at the same time allegedly sides against them by saying "oh no I am so disappointed by their reaction"

    The actual quote:
    "I find Activision’s corporate response wholly unacceptable. I don't stand by it, any of it. It is evil to usurp a victim’s story into a rhetorical bludgeon, and it is abhorrent to reply to these accusations with anything other than a well-thought-out plan to correct these abuses."

    He is saying nothing here. That's his attempt of trying to appear trustworthy. What he really wants to do is to hide the fact that he is a paid actor who is trying to deny the fact that Blizard is fostering "frat-boy culture" through social media.

    EDIT:

    To quote:

    "OK. I’m still hopeful my team will make a statement, but Activision’s statement was terrible, so here's what I believe. I know many of my colleagues believe this as well:"
    ... (a couple of tweets later)
    "I deeply love my team. I believe in my coworkers. I have recommended this place as a beacon to people I care deeply about, and in my personal experience, it has been that beacon. But it is DAMNINGLY OBVIOUS that that experience has not been universal. The people who were harmed by abuse - they deserved that experience too."

    Blizard is a "beacon" just "not universal". This completely contradicts what the company is being sued for. Blizard is the place where women get paid less, are less likely to get a promotion aside from the many other misogynistic things they had to endure. Nope, Blizard has never been a beacon.
    Don't know, don't care. I provided a link when a question was asked. I don't engage in forum drama. Ask the person in question, it's very simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pirana1 View Post
    Don't know, don't care. I provided a link when a question was asked. I don't engage in forum drama. Ask the person in question, it's very simple.
    And I appreciated it.
    Thank you very much <3
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