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    This "frat boy" culture was there all the time. Yes, very shocking, I know.

    Blizzcon 2010 player question on female characters sexist provocative clothing:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi5dQzZp3f0&t=263s
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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyChain View Post
    This "frat boy" culture was there all the time. Yes, very shocking, I know.

    Blizzcon 2010 player question on female characters sexist provocative clothing:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi5dQzZp3f0&t=263s
    I was actually talking with my wife about that clip earlier. We concluded that an honest response would have been something along these lines:

    "The simple fact here is twofold. First, this is what the fantasy genre looks like - women are skimpily dressed. This crosses all segments of the industry, from superheroines in leotards to water nymphs in gauze dresses and mermaids wearing seashell bras. In this regard, we're neither more nor less guilty than anyone else in this industry - our women are scantily clad, but they aren't more scantily clad than women in the majority of other media.

    Second - and this is in no way intended to reduce you as an individual - we know that our audience is mostly male, and we have a lot of metrics that show what they respond to. As a business, please understand that we have to design content that is catered to our largest demographics. So while that may - at face - seem sexist, it's kind of the brutal reality of competing for dollars in a world where attention spans are short, and sex sells.

    Neither of those things are ideal answers (few honest answers in this world are) - they're just the hard reality of where the rubber meets the road. We know that you're not the only person who takes issue with this, and we're not trying to casually dismiss your views. But the kind of changes you're asking for need to occur on a bigger level than we can, even as a large company, control."


    Instead, they chortled, made jokes about 'magazines,' and visibly diminished her with a series of blow-off replies. THAT'S what makes it sexist... not that the content is in the game (because it is in almost all games), but that, when confronted about it, they couldn't treat her like a human being asking a legitimate question in front of a crowd that, in all likelihood, was hostile towards her interests (deep down, I doubt too many of those guys present really wanted the plate bikinis to vanish). She was brave, and they handled it like cowardly imbeciles.
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    Last edited by TeraRamis; 07-24-2021 at 04:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyChain View Post
    This "frat boy" culture was there all the time. Yes, very shocking, I know.

    Blizzcon 2010 player question on female characters sexist provocative clothing:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi5dQzZp3f0&t=263s
    As an FF14 player in a game that has playboy bunny's holding up this example is not exactly a good idea. Personally I am fine with the stuff I see in the game since it is a fantasy world and should have its own culture/world. There are also a lot of moments where they handle female empowerment in a very good way.

    There seems to be a little confirmation here going by Twitch viewership in the WoW category that has completely tanked and is consistently lower then FF14.
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    Last edited by Puremallace; 07-24-2021 at 10:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puremallace View Post
    As an FF14 player in a game that has playboy bunny's holding up this example is not exactly a good idea.
    It only becomes a problem if there is no alternative to it. A.k.a. playing a female character? Have this bikini armor. But that wasn't the point...


    Quote Originally Posted by TeraRamis View Post
    Instead, they chortled, made jokes about 'magazines,' and visibly diminished her with a series of blow-off replies. THAT'S what makes it sexist... not that the content is in the game (because it is in almost all games), but that, when confronted about it, they couldn't treat her like a human being asking a legitimate question in front of a crowd that, in all likelihood, was hostile towards her interests (deep down, I doubt too many of those guys present really wanted the plate bikinis to vanish). She was brave, and they handled it like cowardly imbeciles.
    Yes, exactly. I'm sure them bringing up the "cow race" there couldn't possibly have been taken the completely wrong way.


    Also, so many cowardly men are now covering their tracks "I was too far away", "I had no idea", "I have a wife and daughters btw, I can't be bad". It's really pathetic...
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