Legacy Achievements

[Merrnryn]

Honestly, as a Legacy player that is missing their titles and achievements, I'd just like mine back thank you very much.

[ItMe]

I'm not sure why you'd even say that as it has been said a few times.

I mean, if people aren't allowed to say something that's already been said the mods can probably cut this thread down to about 2 pages lol
IDK

And what's hostile about rewarding people who supported the company in a bad time?

I don't know how I can lay it out differently without just restating myself.
Thanking people for sticking with a bad product is one thing, but a lot of the arguments being tossed around are about supporting blind loyalty, which I disagree with.

[lezard21]

You will find that once everyone and their grandmas is running around wearing the cool, rare, unique thing it stops being cool, rare and unique and you no longer want it, rendering the whole point behind this thread moot

[Krotoan]

I mean, if people aren't allowed to say something that's already been said the mods can probably cut this thread down to about 2 pages lol
IDK

It's not that you're not allowed. I'm not a moderator. I'm wondering if you just popped in to only respond to the end there. It's been repeated kind of a lot is all.

I don't know how I can lay it out differently without just restating myself.
Thanking people for sticking with a bad product is one thing, but a lot of the arguments being tossed around are about supporting blind loyalty, which I disagree with.

Maybe clarify at what point this was a move by the company just to manipulate people and how it embodies any sort of consumer hostile practice?


The company is a company. It deserves no loyalty. Ever. I'll be the first to tell you that. I don't see how people appreciating and outlining why the "hey y'all who played the game even when there was a fire in the engine room and we were circling the drain... you can keep your titles and here have some stuff that shows you were there for it" rewards shouldn't and cannot be repeated translates into "you should always blindly support companies because you MIGHT get stuff if they salvage the dumpsterfire of a game you were tricked into buying".

Throwing good money after bad is a bad idea and will not usually result in rewards. It just did this time and asking for those rewards as someone who didn't participate in the actual event in its entirety is not understanding the whole of why those rewards exist.



SE does some shady things sometimes. They participate in FOMO like a lot of other companies do (which I hate) and the whole reason for ARR being necessary is because they thought they could exploit the FF fanbase for some money while investing very little. However every once in a while individual developer teams can implement or get things done for players that show genuine appreciation and aren't just another boobytrapped present. "Caveat Emptor" always but sometimes the free gift is just a gift, not bait.

[Garnix]

Not a 1.X player (probably would have been if it was on console but...well...)
The only way titles should be obtainable again is if they bring back 1.X servers (and that will not happen). Titles are linked to achievements. To complete an achievement, you need to...achieve something.
And there is no reason to get the same title from doing a different achievement in the current game.
I think people should push more for the Ishgard restoration ranking titles than for 1.X titles. There is really no reason not to have Ishgard seasons happening on a regular basis.

The reduced sub fee is also clearly deserved.
Other legacy items are a bit more debatable in my opinion. But I am not as mad at those than I am seeing people with a fancy emote just because they bought a really expensive merch that I personally would not want in my house.

[ItMe]

but sometimes the free gift is just a gift, not bait.

Why not both?
Even if that isn't the intention that's the function.

[Krotoan]

Why not both?
Even if that isn't the intention that's the function.

So the company should NOT reward those who played even when the game was junk because it MIGHT encourage people to do so on other projects in the future that do not result in the same positive outcome?

The FUNCTION was to reward those who remained. The possible implied reinforcement MIGHT be the former.

People have agency and brains. Just because something might possibly encourage bad judgement doesn't mean it's consumer hostile. This isn't railroading us into a choice or even a thing that gets done a lot so as to obviously be a scheme.

So no it's not both. Intention and implementation goes very far in determining what is a practice and what is just an event. There are many many many examples of a bad game just being bad or a game failing and nobody ever getting anything out of sticking around:

Anthem, Bless, Firefall, Evolution, Wildstar, Maple Story 2. This is just the stuff I personally participated in that I can remember.

How many games has SE given people stuff in the remade version of a failed game they released? How many games in general have done this?

I can't think of any. This is not some reinforcement of a habit. It's not a viable strategy either since you have to absolutely fail a game first to make the opportunity.

Yes I'm pretty sure that nobody at SE argued that the FFXIV team shouldn't do the legacy rewards and saw that it was good PR. Just assuming everything is evil corporation tendrils is not a good argument against anything though.

[Burmecia]

As much as I too would like to see some 1.0 stuff become available again(*)
--- I don't wanna take more special stuff away from our dwindling number of Legacy players.

(*Lauan/Willow/Yew/Oak Halfmasks; to satisfy my massive want to cosplay NPC, mostly not even for rp purpose!)

Like the chocobo, or the Goobbue. Or the Dalamud horn? Or the achievements/titles. 1.0 was that much of special kinda hell, as they say and as many have, so they deserve the goodies :'D

(*i know healers/casters/ranged get similar mask as lvl56 crafted headpiece --- the gem on it's forehead just triggers something in me and i don't want it!!)

[ItMe]

How many games has SE given people stuff in the remade version of a failed game they released? How many games in general have done this?

I can't think of any. This is not some reinforcement of a habit. It's not a viable strategy either since you have to absolutely fail a game first to make the opportunity.

Sure, but what about their next MMO, or maybe anither sometime in the future.
They've done it once, there is preecedent.
Maybe this doesn't mean anything for you personally, but it does for many others.

So no it's not both.

I understand you feel that way.
I feel differently.
Guess that's all that can be said.

[DoH]

SE gave players a cool cap and a chair in DQBII depending on how far through DQBI players made it, just as another example. I wouldn’t necessarily call either of these “failed” games but there is certainly precedent for getting rewards in one game for having played a previous iteration. Herme’s Shoes (for playing FFXI) and Asuran Armguards (for playing FFXIII) are examples of other time-gated special items granted to players who played other SE games at the time (technically Asuran Armguards can still be obtained but only if you have a new first-print copy of FFXIII, and even then you have to work with SE’s support team since the codes don’t work any more, and depending on who you talk to there they may deny it so I still consider it a time-gated item).