What is a HC player?

[Akiudo]

I must mention that by the time I sat down to learn e12s' guide they already enabled the echo which gave us 10% boost to stats but I still think that I would have been able to get the clear if they postponed their patch.

I am basing what savage is on my personal experience with pf.

don't want to dimish your achievement, you worked to kill e12s, you killed e12s, kudos to you, BUT

after echo so realistically with a group where everyone was at least close to 530 and with knowledge of how the fight works (you know, allready read a guide).

you really don't see how doing it with 15-20 itemlevels less (and no echo) and while not being able to fall back on allready established tactics will take a lot more time ? and i mean a lot ?. even if everyone played literally perfect the idea of "learning a 10 minute scripted fight" would be a lot to simply as you actively have to figure out just how stuff is even supposed to work.

imagine you are 8 minute into any fight and some big really complicated mechanic pops up wiping you instantly. it will now take you 8 minutes every single time you even want to see the mechanic to have any chance to practice said coreography, and it will surely take more than 1 try to actually figure out just how to handle stuff, and thats for one mechanic and assuming literally no one messes up, ever, even after hours of concentrating to the max.