What is a HC player?

[Roeshel]

don't want to dimish your achievement, you worked to kill e12s, you killed e12s, kudos to you, BUT

after echo so realistically with a group where everyone was at least close to 530 and with knowledge of how the fight works (you know, allready read a guide).

you really don't see how doing it with 15-20 itemlevels less (and no echo) and while not being able to fall back on allready established tactics will take a lot more time ? and i mean a lot ?. even if everyone played literally perfect the idea of "learning a 10 minute scripted fight" would be a lot to simply as you actively have to figure out just how stuff is even supposed to work.

imagine you are 8 minute into any fight and some big really complicated mechanic pops up wiping you instantly. it will now take you 8 minutes every single time you even want to see the mechanic to have any chance to practice said coreography, and it will surely take more than 1 try to actually figure out just how to handle stuff, and thats for one mechanic and assuming literally no one messes up, ever, even after hours of concentrating to the max.

Yes, I know that doing it with weaker gear would be a lot harder but... it is a static. Players in static should be more organized than a random pf group.

I think the smart way to prog savage without guides is to visually record your pulls and each time you encounter a new mechanic and you wipe, watch the replay, observe the last mechanic, see if it is in any way similar to the normal version of the raid, think of ways to solve it and then try and see if your solution was the correct one. It is better than just wiping again to see 4-5secs of the last mechanic. A static should be able to have at least this bare minimum of additional coordination and utilize it, something that PF groups won't ever do.

I assume that it would be very difficult to do that in a PF group so if clearing raids week one is too much of a time investment for the wrong reasons, I will wait for the guides.