9S Automaton is not appearing per patch notes

[worldofneil]

The intention was never to have them become 100% drops, and this was the case with the other Nier raids as well.

Except in 5.5 the first two raids also had a patch like this, with identical wording, and they were changed to 100% drop rate.

Given that the wording on the two patches is identical, it implies the same thing should have happened here and that because it didn't, it's probably a bug.

5.5 patch notes:

The following items will now appear in a treasure chest allotted to each party of an alliance when undertaking the Copied Factory:

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Pod 054
Pod 316
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The following items will now appear in a treasure chest allotted to each party of an alliance when undertaking the Puppets' Bunker:

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2B Automaton
2P Automaton
...

5.58 patch notes:

The following items will now appear in a treasure chest allotted to each party of an alliance when undertaking the Tower at Paradigm's Breach:

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Smaller Stubby
9S Automaton
...

[EorzeaWanderer]

I agree, the wording ("will now appear in a treasure chest") is confusing. What they mean is "will now appear in a treasure chest allotted to each party [if they drop]" rather than "will appear in a treasure chest allotted to the entire raid [if they drop]". But none of the raids were changed to 100% drop rate for every one of those items. Perhaps the 2B coffer in Copied Factory, but you will not see all of the orchestrion rolls, minions, etc. in every run on these raids.

[worldofneil]

none of the raids were changed to 100% drop rate for every one of those items

I only have my own experiences, but when I was trying to farm the minions from those raids (after the 5.5 patch) it took me quite a few attempts to actually win the rolls, but they both dropped, every single time. Maybe I was exceptionally lucky, but both raids and every time I tried, seems a bit unlikely?

I don't know about the other items though, I didn't really pay any attention to those.

[EorzeaWanderer]

Yeah, the wording is just ambiguous, unfortunately. I don't see evidence of a bug from my interpretation, but they need to use more precise language on this point.

For what it's worth, the Japanese patch notes are a bit clearer on emphasizing what actually changed:
以下のアイテムを獲得できる宝箱が、24人アライアンス向けの宝箱からパーティごとに出現する宝箱に変更されます。
The treasure coffer from which the following items can be obtained has been changed from a treasure coffer for the 24-man alliance to a treasure coffer for each party.

[worldofneil]

For what it's worth, the Japanese patch notes are a bit clearer on emphasizing what actually changed:

The previous 5.5 Japanese patch notes also said exactly the same thing as well though

Oh well I guess we wait any see now!

[Alchalant]

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We defeated Her Infloresence the final boss of the Nier Tower at Paradigm's Breach raid. The 3 coffer chests appear - 1 for each party now. The 9S Automaton minion and Stuffed Android Units items were not in the coffer.
When Puppet's Bunker and Copied Factory raids were updated to include 3 party coffers at the end of raid - both minions always appeared in the coffers. Now in the Tower at Paradigm's Breach update - we are not getting all the items listed from 5.58 patch notes. The patch notes say that each coffer should include these items, and they are not.

I've completed the other previously updated Nier raids Puppet's Bunker and Copied Factory weekly for upgrade coins, the coffer contents are always the same = both minions always appear. This is not working the same way with today's Tower at Paradigm's Breach update, and would like to ask for the loot table to be looked at and addressed.

[RokkuEkkusu]

I encountered this myself. The 9S minion did not appear in some of my runs from "The Tower at Paradigm's Breach."

9S was not a 100% drop at first.
Now, it's still not guanranteed, but instead of fightning your roll with 23 others people, it'll only be with your own alliance.
That's what it actually means.

Neither were the Pod 316 from Copied Factory nor the 2B Automaton were guaranteed drops when they came out. However, when the patch notes to make the minion and orchestrion drops per party for the previous Yorha alliance raids, both Pod 316 and the 2B Automaton were always seen in their respective loot lists.

This time, the 9S Automaton minion did not follow this rule for the patch 5.5 alliance raid.

The patch was supposed to unlock Tower at Paradigms Breach the same way Copied Factory and Puppets Bunker had been previously in 5.5 - where Yoshi had said in 5.5 live letter that the Copied Factory and Bunker rare minions would be much more easily obtainable.

After he said this in live letter - upon the 5.5 patch - Copied Factory and Puppets Bunker were given 3 final coffers - one for each party in the raid. All 3 of these coffers for each party now (as of 5.5) contain both the normal and rare minions, and all orchestrion rolls in the first 2 alliance raids. All possible loot now always appears in the final coffers of Copied Factory and Puppets Bunker.

This ticket is to raise attention because Tower at Paradigms Breach was similarly unlocked on 5.58 but the loot is not behaving in the same way as the adjustments on the other raids. They made the 3 party coffers but overlooked adjusting the loot table of each.

I hope this makes this clear. Players that farm and collect these items noticed this immediately. They were anticipating Tower being unlocked similar to the other 2 alliance raids - and the patch notes said the raid would be unlocked the same way the last 2 were - and they did add the 3 separate coffers but overlooked adjusting the loot tables.

This is the best answer in this thread so far.