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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    I'd normally just state in alliance chat that I've rolled & I'm going to afk while waiting for the last person to roll.
    Or: "I don't know why ya'all so afraid of me stealing your loots :P I rolled a 0!"

    An annoyance for sure, but I don't think it's a big deal.
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    Dzian's Avatar
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    Scarlett Dzian
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    Sargatanas
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    Bard Lv 76
    Quote Originally Posted by Dificeman View Post
    Not sure where to post this.

    Can we get something changed with the loot/roll system. Make it so we can roll and then leave without having to wait for everyone. Also make it so that if you do not roll you get 0 of the loot. It should automatically be a forfeit on the loot.
    People acting in a scummy way of refusing to roll, hoping others leave so they get the loot to themselves gets very tiresome. Another thing how about giving us a window or something that shows who has currently rolled on loot. Then if nothing else we can report these people for that type of behavior.
    If you don't roll at all then you effectively do roll a zero. Even a greed roll of 1 will beat a non roll. There may be a hidden roll if no one rolls and the system just gives it to whoever wins that when it times out..

    But a lot of the time people don't roll because of how the loot system works.. If I do a raid for example and I want the body piece or perhaps the leg piece as a second choice. I'll roll on the body, pass all the crap I dont want but will not roll on the leg drop until the body piece has been resolved.. If I win the body I'll pass on the legs and leave.. if I dont win the body then I'll roll on the legs. Players typically won't roll on everything at once because if they get a 99 on the body but the head gets resolved first and they won that with a 23 they lose the body they wanted and had a great roll for.

    The problem often comes from clashes between players.. If I was player A for example and someone else player B. wants the legs but will settle for the body, they'll typically do the opposite. They'll roll on the legs, pass all the crap they dont want but will not roll on the body until the legs have been resolved...

    In this scenario players A B and everyone else are basically stuck waiting because Player A is waiting for the body drop to be resolved before rolling on the legs. Player B is waiting for the leg drop to be resolved before rolling on the body. and as such neither of those pieces gets resolved and everyone is stuck waiting.

    It gets worse when you factor in player C who maybe wants the legs, but would settle for the hands. and Player D who wants the hands to finish a set but wouldnt mind the body to start another set... and Player E who wants hands but would settle for the feet.... and now none of the drops are getting resolved so the entire party is waiting for basically all the drops to be resolved.

    You can't report people for not rolling people tried this before back in alexander raids and even omega stuff. It's not considered griefing or harrassment because of the examples above. Players usually do roll on their first choices pretty quick.. but wont roll on there second choice unless theyve lost the roll on there first choice.. or wont roll on there third choice until there second has been resolved etc..

    There has even been posts asking to make loot rolls last longer because in things like alliance raids. the second boss drops say a casting piece but everyone wants the piece from the last boss or something. so people have suggested before to keep the loot pool open until say 5 minutes after the duty is complete. so if the last boss doesn't drop what they want they can then decide to roll on the one the second boss dropped earlier if they dont want to do the content again that week...

    Most of the time when people don't roll it's because they're waiting on another roll to be resolved first..

    unless of course its a dungeon in which case players usaully just steam roll through and dont even look at the loot window or open the chests.
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    Last edited by Dzian; 07-20-2021 at 07:44 PM.

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    Naoki34's Avatar
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    Asuka Suzuhana
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    Moogle
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    Sage Lv 100
    It's not that bad to wait 2 minutes, time to have a drink or a break. After all, how long is it in the face of intensive farming.

    You can't do anything about it anyway.
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    SomeRandomHuman's Avatar
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    Tabi Fox
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    Mateus
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki34 View Post
    It's not that bad to wait 2 minutes, time to have a drink or a break. After all, how long is it in the face of intensive farming.

    You can't do anything about it anyway.
    The timer is 5 minutes for loot rolls. If it were 2 then it wouldn't be an issue.

    It may be just a minor inconvenience but people complained about BLU one-shotting fates with learnable skills which was also a minor inconvenience and they got their way so why can't we get ours?
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    Bare Bear
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    Midgardsormr
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    Culinarian Lv 100
    One thing they could do is add an area to the loot window which shows everyone's roll status on the currently selected loot. Then you could see who has yet to roll.
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    Rinh Neftereh
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    Excalibur
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    Monk Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by DontReadThis View Post
    One thing they could do is add an area to the loot window which shows everyone's roll status on the currently selected loot. Then you could see who has yet to roll.
    I've heard arguments against this that this could result in people harassing the one person who hasn't rolled for whatever reason

    I wish there'd be a skip/pass on all loot option, I keep forgetting to roll on things in roulettes or when helping friends and that quickly clogs my inventory up cus I forget to roll
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    Git Gud
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    Coeurl
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    Samurai Lv 65
    I’ll give my personal experience on this matter as a PlayStation player: when I started doing dungeons, I would manually use the touchpad of the PS4 controller to scroll over to the loot table and then manually select the Greed or Need option. This was frustrating and took absolutely forever. Eventually I realized that if I pressed in the touchpad button, it would cycle through the windows, making Need or Greed far easier. The point of this post? Maybe you’re playing with console players that just take a long time to manually select Need or Greed and it isn’t intentional. I don’t think people should get banned for unintentional mistakes, so bad idea.
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    Akiimi Akagane
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    Excalibur
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    I recently came from a game where there is no roll on loot everyone got loot. I also am going into these dungeons for the first time and like to watch the cut scenes. I have been in dungeons with people who rush and I can't read what the piece of loot is before they are pulling again. So there are many people who are not rolling and it's not on purpose. Punishing people for not rolling quickly will not solve the ones who grief. And who does that I mean it's really mean!
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