Endwalker Sch Question

[Dearche]

SE clearly cares about balancing healer rDPS. This is why Malefic has lower potency than Glare. SE also made job changes during Shadowbringers to achieve better healer rDPS balance. And I doubt they assume that healers don't have to DPS, because they released content that cannot be cleared without healer DPS.

To be exact, I think only part of SE cares about healer DPS, and that's the parts designing the raids. Whereas while they do have at least a bit of input in job design, the ones doing that part clearly thinks that the best way to equalize the three healers was to simply take away their offensive kit.

That said, I hope that all three healers get a decent amount of utility if SE won't give us proper and interesting DPS kits. Utility can be fun to play with too. Despite how underwhelming AST's cards are when it comes to their effect, actually playing them is still kinda fun. Just not as fun as it used to be when you had to think about not only shuffling, but converting.

[IceBlueNinja]

To be exact, I think only part of SE cares about healer DPS, and that's the parts designing the raids. Whereas while they do have at least a bit of input in job design, the ones doing that part clearly thinks that the best way to equalize the three healers was to simply take away their offensive kit.

That said, I hope that all three healers get a decent amount of utility if SE won't give us proper and interesting DPS kits. Utility can be fun to play with too. Despite how underwhelming AST's cards are when it comes to their effect, actually playing them is still kinda fun. Just not as fun as it used to be when you had to think about not only shuffling, but converting.

Yes aka the stormblood cards so much to do then and more solutions vs dry shadow bringer lame redraw or minor only come to think of it i totally forget that undraw exist. I do not ever use it since all of shadow bringers.

[Dearche]

Yes aka the stormblood cards so much to do then and more solutions vs dry shadow bringer lame redraw or minor only come to think of it i totally forget that undraw exist. I do not ever use it since all of shadow bringers.

There was no point the moment they separated draw and play. It's a legacy skill that for some reason SE decided to keep in, even though it no longer served a purpose.

MNK at least has the excuse that their rework was mid-expac, so the changes were pretty rushed. But AST was a full expac change, yet somehow this oversight was allowed through. It's depressing how little SE looks at the healers. Sometimes I prefer that they just eliminate the role and make all healers into support style DPS or something.

When 90% of our heals are just AOE heals to cover for manditory raid-wide damage, it makes me wonder why we even bother with this farce. Spot healing is way more interesting, even if it's to keep that DPS who keeps standing in the red alive. At least it's more than just hitting one button at a regular interval like our DPS rotation.

[RyuDragnier]

When 90% of our heals are just AOE heals to cover for manditory raid-wide damage, it makes me wonder why we even bother with this farce. Spot healing is way more interesting, even if it's to keep that DPS who keeps standing in the red alive. At least it's more than just hitting one button at a regular interval like our DPS rotation.

Sounds like we need a return of Alexander style raids, where nobody was safe, and anybody could suddenly get a random prey or mechanic on them that healers had to quickly heal them through lest they die.

Example of a possible future mechanic, a single target Akh Morn style multi hit blast that stays on the random target, cannot be "splash mitigated" by others standing on them, and can only really be survived by healers quickly healing them through the hits.

[Dearche]

Sounds like we need a return of Alexander style raids, where nobody was safe, and anybody could suddenly get a random prey or mechanic on them that healers had to quickly heal them through lest they die.

Example of a possible future mechanic, a single target Akh Morn style multi hit blast that stays on the random target, cannot be "splash mitigated" by others standing on them, and can only really be survived by healers quickly healing them through the hits.

To be honest, I do much prefer this sort of stuff.

Single target damage, maybe with a transferable tether or pillars that only show up one or two at a time but quite often, would make healing much more interesting. It would also make us use our GCD heals as well, even SCH. If this is combined with a better MP management system, like if the basic heal GCD gives us MP rather than relying on a regenerating CD or two, we would actually be playing as real healers doing rapid triage near constantly, not some AOE heal bot that spends most of our time hitting one damage spell.

[Truen]

We literally know nothing about how Sage plays so calm down.

That being said, SCH makes up for their lesser party buffs compared to AST with their higher personal damage. The 3 healers, in terms of damage output, are very balanced as of current patch (5.5).

Balanced? Haha, I guess so. They were stripped down to the same sad 1-button spamming trash we have now, so in a real sense--they're all equally bad. I'd agree--balanced indeed.

[Arnyekok]

Be nice if they did something like Disc Priest in WoW, where you put a buff on players and a portion of damage you do turns to healing

[Absurdity]

Be nice if they did something like Disc Priest in WoW, where you put a buff on players and a portion of damage you do turns to healing

Unfortunately very unlikely. It could be a very fun design for a healer but it would give that healer a massive advantage. Healer optimization generally boils down to reducing all unnecessary healing to an absolute minimum and replacing it with more dps. If you have a healer that, by design, is able to do both healing and dps at the same time and doesn't have to trade one for the other then they will quickly become an absolute must-have.

[Acece]

Be nice if they did something like Disc Priest in WoW, where you put a buff on players and a portion of damage you do turns to healing

I still believe that whm would be the only healer that could get away with it. The other healers already has a gimmick going them already (ast cards or sch fairy.) Whm on the other hand doesn't really have a gimmick per say so it would be nice on them.

Unfortunately very unlikely. It could be a very fun design for a healer but it would give that healer a massive advantage. Healer optimization generally boils down to reducing all unnecessary healing to an absolute minimum and replacing it with more dps. If you have a healer that, by design, is able to do both healing and dps at the same time and doesn't have to trade one for the other then they will quickly become an absolute must-have.

Doesn't Ast dps and heal at the same time with no damage loss because of their 1.5s cast times and massive amounts of oGcd's.

[rewd]

Balanced? Haha, I guess so. They were stripped down to the same sad 1-button spamming trash we have now, so in a real sense--they're all equally bad. I'd agree--balanced indeed.

Did healers use to have varied and robust DPS rotations or is the community conveniently forgetting/omitting stuff again just to complain?