Endwalker Sch Question

[SweetPete]

Since we are getting a 4th healer and it’s been talked about that Whm and Sage will be the selfish high dps healers with no party support and Ast and Sch will be the party support healers. Will Sch’s buffs be on par with Ast? Currently Ast has the best buffs of the healers and sch just has good ole chain stratagem. So will Sch get more party support buffs to be on par with Ast come Endwalker? Ast gives out card buffs every 30 seconds with draw and another every 2 minutes with sleeve draw and buff the entire party every 2 minutes with divination.

But then I’m thinking if Sch gets good party buffs too then won’t Ast and Sch be meta for raids and Whm and Sage will be just prog? I know SE doesn’t want there to be meta anymore so yeah. So many questions.

[Hysterior]

it’s been talked about that Whm and Sage will be the selfish high dps healers with no party support and Ast and Sch will be the party support healers

I have not heard/seen that.
Do you have a link to the interview?

For now I have just seen the pure healer VS shield healer but no mention of buffs and DPS.

[Rongway]

I have not heard/seen that.
Do you have a link to the interview?

For now I have just seen the pure healer VS shield healer but no mention of buffs and DPS.

From the sage reveal in February:

[Dearche]

Ah right. Cole Eryx thought that this meant that SGE has an ability which gives a self buff that's consumed when you do certain abilities. He compared the spell effects between the SGE reveal and the benchmark, and found that despite using what seemed to be the same abilities, the effects were massively different.

The single target shield, and AOE attack in particular.

Doesn't mean they're selfish healers or something. Just that they have some sort of mechanic where some of their abilities work differently depending on certain conditions, which is an interesting idea, but we'll have to wait to hear more before coming to any real conclusion.

[Aeos]

We literally know nothing about how Sage plays so calm down.

That being said, SCH makes up for their lesser party buffs compared to AST with their higher personal damage. The 3 healers, in terms of damage output, are very balanced as of current patch (5.5).

[SweetPete]

We literally know nothing about how Sage plays so calm down.

That being said, SCH makes up for their lesser party buffs compared to AST with their higher personal damage. The 3 healers, in terms of damage output, are very balanced as of current patch (5.5).

I get it. I’m just assuming because the community is saying Whm and Sage will be the personal high dos healers while ast and sch will be the party support healers. You’re right though we don’t know enough about Sage to know if they will not have any party support yet.

[CaesarCV]

I don't see any reason to assume that'll be a purpose-built dichotomy for Healers to be honest. SQUENIX has seemingly assumed so far that Healers don't have to DPS in content, so it's unlikely that they plan around their damage output as a primary balancing measure. Additionally, the 'buff their own magic' part of Sage could just as easily refer to buffs to their healing/defensive abilities. I could be wrong and maybe the devs will finally come to understand the importance of damage dealing for Healing classes, but it doesn't really fit their MO so far.

[Raikai]

They should do something like this:

WHM = more personal dps / no group dps buffs
AST = less personal dps / group dps buffs
SAG= more personal dps / no group dps buffs
SCH= less personal dps / group dps buffs

Despite that, I think defensive and tactical utility buffs should be something relevant for every healer.

[BungleBear]

SQUENIX has seemingly assumed so far that Healers don't have to DPS in content, so it's unlikely that they plan around their damage output as a primary balancing measure.

SE clearly cares about balancing healer rDPS. This is why Malefic has lower potency than Glare. SE also made job changes during Shadowbringers to achieve better healer rDPS balance. And I doubt they assume that healers don't have to DPS, because they released content that cannot be cleared without healer DPS.

[Anhra]

Sage probably just gets cleric stance and probably a foul ability just like WHM.

I'd be genuinely impressed is Sage is going to be as "original" in combat as the rest of the Healers.