New player question about Astrology

[Semirhage]

Tank should die so some random healer they'll likely never see again can improve?

Counterpoint: Death in this game is that much of a setback? Your durability loss results in adding something like 20 gil to your repair bill. If the healer isn't that great, that's one thing. If it's a skilled healer on top of their health chicken game, "oops, sorry about that" and everyone's fine.

[Acece]

Tank should die so some random healer they'll likely never see again can improve?

Healers carry bad tanks all the time, good tanks carry bad healers it's nothing new. Having a healer improve rather then play safe is overall better health of the game Imo because if they learn early they don't developed bad habits which will wipe their party in raid and such. I really would rather have a healer get better at the early levels so I don't have to deal with them at max lol.
It's not like any of the dungeons are really hard or anything (besides a few but nothing so early) so its better to learn there then at endgame.

[truemagus]

I wouldn't say it's AST's 'mechanic'. It's purely how their ability "Essential Dignity" behaves, which is:

Restores target's HP
Cure Potency: 400
Potency increases up to 1,100 as the target's HP decreases

That being said... what you're seeing is probably a healer who tried to be efficient with their healing (or simply being bad, who knows). While this is mostly seen as a sign of decent healer (or a healer trying to improve themselves), by no means it's not all sparkle and rainbows. Get overenthusiastic, they might end up misjudging & killing you in the process. (Which is what happened most likely in your story)

OR they simply didn't use their Essential Dignity for whatever reason, because it rings suspicious to me when you said it heals from 10% to 30% in Brayflox. Essential Dignity is absurdly powerful heal under lv50 that it can heal tanks back to full (or really close) especially when used on that low HP%. Up to 30% looks more like a Benefic I or Benefic II with some broken gears...

I don't think you should stop rolling as a tank in DFs though, but perhaps a nice break or just kidnap one of your healer friends

Kind of late here sorry. The Dragoon was actually on my server and was talking to them yesterday. They had been watching more so and knew what was going on more. The healer sometimes casted Benefic on me and some Esunas, never healed the dps and was mostly just spamming something called malefic to the point of almost ooming on the second boss. They weren't a sprout like the rest of us.

[BungleBear]

Tank should die so some random healer they'll likely never see again can improve?

I mean, it's not like they die in real life. There are so many heal-bot healers in this game who don't seem to realise that it's completely safe to let HP fall below 100% for more than a few seconds. To learn this, you have to test the limits. Mistakes happen. It's no big deal.

[BungleBear]

Kind of late here sorry. The Dragoon was actually on my server and was talking to them yesterday. They had been watching more so and knew what was going on more. The healer sometimes casted Benefic on me and some Esunas, never healed the dps and was mostly just spamming something called malefic to the point of almost ooming on the second boss. They weren't a sprout like the rest of us.

It would be harder for the Dragoon to see whether the Astrologian was using Essential Dignity, which is instant-cast and therefore has no cast bar in the party list. Malefic has a short recast time, so it's possible to "weave" ED while maintaining a constant stream of Malefic casts.

[IceBlueNinja]

Kind of late here sorry. The Dragoon was actually on my server and was talking to them yesterday. They had been watching more so and knew what was going on more. The healer sometimes casted Benefic on me and some Esunas, never healed the dps and was mostly just spamming something called malefic to the point of almost ooming on the second boss. They weren't a sprout like the rest of us.

Astros are not the only one guilty of sometimes letting tanks topple over because of parsing, sch and whm are guilty as well heck actually to me whm tops it on guilty ever since they gave em afflaus misery, yeah I know its scary the mind set of healers in 14 is more dps more than healing , you can only hope you get a healer who is a balance one does both heal+dps when necessary not the ones that just heal and do nothing or the ones who dps 90% of the time and do 10% healing, its kinda why I dont play tank or dps role, if am to do dps role though it be a rdm because there is vercure so heck if I have to drop dps and heal myself at 40% cause said healer is dpsing still am going to do it, now I understand how plds feel and they clem themselves in this state lol , if your a pld at least you can clem, if healer get mad that you clem oh well, they should do their jobs more.

The one time i did a qitana ravel as a gunbreaker, yes i did my cool downs and avoid oranges that is avoidable but ofc things only last so long , this ast ofc had me got killed and plainly admit oh sorry I got so busy dpsing, me being a ast main ofc replied I am an ast main too heal+dsps is not hard. It goes back to why healers are 1 button dps and hot, just imagine how worst it will be if we did got more dps spells like old stormblood SCH. Best thing to do is find a friend that main a healer and keeps you up the way you like it to be, only time I do dps or tank is when ofc I have friends who will plays healer balance like I do with both heals+dps as necessary. Random queue I will always go healer cause of that one awful qitana ravel experience or if to say I was to go random in queue as tank it be as pld(though my personal fav tank is gunbreaker) or rdm as dps to self heal when I see am 40 and below and no heal from healer happening.

[IDontPetLalas]

Astros are not the only one guilty of sometimes letting tanks topple over because of parsing, sch and whm are guilty as well heck actually to me whm tops it on guilty ever since they gave em afflaus misery, yeah I know its scary the mind set of healers in 14 is more dps more than healing , you can only hope you get a healer who is a balance one does both heal+dps when necessary not the ones that just heal and do nothing or the ones who dps 90% of the time and do 10% healing, its kinda why I dont play tank or dps role, if am to do dps role though it be a rdm because there is vercure so heck if I have to drop dps and heal myself at 40% cause said healer is dpsing still am going to do it, now I understand how plds feel and they clem themselves in this state lol , if your a pld at least you can clem, if healer get mad that you clem oh well, they should do their jobs more.

The one time i did a qitana ravel as a gunbreaker, yes i did my cool downs and avoid oranges that is avoidable but ofc things only last so long , this ast ofc had me got killed and plainly admit oh sorry I got so busy dpsing, me being a ast main ofc replied I am an ast main too heal+dsps is not hard. It goes back to why healers are 1 button dps and hot, just imagine how worst it will be if we did got more dps spells like old stormblood SCH. Best thing to do is find a friend that main a healer and keeps you up the way you like it to be, only time I do dps or tank is when ofc I have friends who will plays healer balance like I do with both heals+dps as necessary. Random queue I will always go healer cause of that one awful qitana ravel experience or if to say I was to go random in queue as tank it be as pld(though my personal fav tank is gunbreaker) or rdm as dps to self heal when I see am 40 and below and no heal from healer happening.

1- Seriously, what are you complaining about " old stormblood SCH" ? There were many competent SCH who were able to balance both healing AND DPS during that time. You don't need to believe me- there are .ahhh..additional shall we say blogs to verify that....
2- We don't know that this specific healer was chasing a parse, As pointed out previously, you cannot see an instant cast heal on a cast bar. So someone seeing an AST spamming maleific and then some benefics could well miss some EDs which should be used at low HP. If someone does not understand how ED works (i.e. a tank) they could panic.
3. For AST - it can happen that a learning (or even level 80) misjudges ED in a leveling dungeon in DF. If with randoms, they are trying to be efficient, it's not being malicious, maybe it's lag, maybe it"s a CD coordination issue, whatever- all of that to say- in future- that should not prevent the possible addition of a DPS button or changes to the currently simplistic DPS options that healers have.

[Tulzscha]

Sounds like they were just trying to maximize dps and probably were too greedy. Other possibility is they were lazy or bad but those types don't usually bother with Esuna. If everyone plays perfectly healers hardly need to heal at all - I've gone through entire dungeons with little more than an occasional hot on the tank and an aoe or two on some bosses. There's a lot of passive healing between pulls.

I would try to avoid kiting as a tank though, just use your stuns and cds and keep everything still for the dps, also your hp will go down at a more consistent rate so the healer can better judge what they need to do. I've only been in a couple situations where I couldn't keep a tank alive no matter what I did - one was an undergeared tank pulling too much while I was also undergeared, one was dps being so low and the tank taking so much damage from so many mobs I went oom.

I've definitely gotten too greedy a couple times and have had people die after casting Essential Dignity but before the animation completed. Animation delay is a ***** in this game. I've also seen other healers (usually WHMs) spam dps spells while an entire 8-man group slowly died over 30s or so, only to cast Medica when a couple players were left and then we wiped.

Tank should die so some random healer they'll likely never see again can improve?

Absolutely. ������

[IceBlueNinja]

1- Seriously, what are you complaining about " old stormblood SCH" ? There were many competent SCH who were able to balance both healing AND DPS during that time. You don't need to believe me- there are .ahhh..additional shall we say blogs to verify that....
2- We don't know that this specific healer was chasing a parse, As pointed out previously, you cannot see an instant cast heal on a cast bar. So someone seeing an AST spamming maleific and then some benefics could well miss some EDs which should be used at low HP. If someone does not understand how ED works (i.e. a tank) they could panic.
3. For AST - it can happen that a learning (or even level 80) misjudges ED in a leveling dungeon in DF. If with randoms, they are trying to be efficient, it's not being malicious, maybe it's lag, maybe it"s a CD coordination issue, whatever- all of that to say- in future- that should not prevent the possible addition of a DPS button or changes to the currently simplistic DPS options that healers have.

It is not complaining about old sch stormblood to say, its just saying all healers play a way that can cause a tank to panic about their hp whether its a ast to use ed, a whm to use a lil/bene or sch with a lustrate, sometimes misjudgements and server tick behaviors can sometimes happen like lags or so as you state. your tank can be at 100% and in a lil second blink of a eye they just whoa to 20 10% out of no where. I had a interesting hero's today with a warrior as a tank, we are doing fine killing him but during that phase with 4 rock the tank went from 90% hp to a mere single digit 1 hp, how this happen idk but I was able to double ED but it just didnt make no sense how that happen lol. I felt like that was a gunbreaker using their super boile there. The dps too was wondering what happen, it must have been one heck of a extremely bad lag. As the 3 of us thought it was.

People to this day and time are use to games where keeping up hp at 80% or 100 as much as possible will ofc feel abit unsafe if they are new to 14 how healers play in this game. There are alot of old fashion mmos that punishes healers who even try to dps at crucial times so people who play those kind of games you cant be suprise they want their hp 80% to full all the time. This probably is the 2nd tank post about a tank dying as they feel the healer was not doing what they are to do, Post like these should be taken into consideration really. Again why do you think a pld is gonna use clem in trash pulls at times or boss fight, Plds panic the most out of all tanks when their hp is to them too low and no heals seem to be coming.

[IDontPetLalas]

Agreed, I see your point, all of the above can weigh into how comfortable people are with their HP and how their healers should keep them up.