Quinn hating on the game.

[Jadedsins]

Yeah I've sat watching it with some kind of macabre fascination. Asmongolds first day was a disgrace and I'm very glad the ban hammer came out swift and true. The reaction to this Quinn guy is getting blown massively out of proportion though, the twitter thread you posted is tame af, I've seen worse behavior in Spongebob forums. He provoked the community, then stood back in shock clutching his handbag when they clapped back. His own fans and moderators are clapping back at him about it never mind the FFXIV players.

As the twitter thread said, he has simply reaped what he sowed.

Oh i did not post that about his comments being attacked. I just post to agree with him. You would have to watch his stream, and his first comment (it was a dumb comment I did not agree with.) about the dog pile stuff.

[Artemiz]

Oh i did not post that about his comments being attacked. I just post to agree with him. You would have to watch his stream, and his first comment (it was a dumb comment I did not agree with.) about the dog pile stuff.

I'm not sure which stream you're referring to here. I did see a bit of Zach's stream yesterday and just by chance caught a bit where he was talking about Quinn. I've really enjoyed Asmons stuff recently so I'm no hater but I did think he was being a huge hypocrite on this. Quinn is a public figure, the same as a sportsman, actor or politician. If they provoke a crowd, which in my opinion he very much did, then don't go crying about getting stick back. He gets to say whatever he wants and gets to like whatever he likes, but everyone else gets that right too. Streamers aren't in a religious authority position, they are open to criticism and if they start flaming...... well I hope they're ready for the backlash.

[CKNovel]

so another big streamer is trying the game right now. Summit and it is a coin toss if he likes it or not.
And if he says something bad about game and they dog pile him. Oh boy.
Sadly we can't do anything about it. These players are so loud and come out in droves. It makes it seem like these basket cases are the community.

It's simple:
"I don't like the game and the story sticked with me."

Only LazyPeon and Quinn got a backlash, because they skipped the story and criticized the story.
Imagine if a big celebrity would watch the first 10 mins of Lord of the ring, then skip to the end of the last movie to then criticize the movie is bad. No doubt history would repeat.
Critics are welcomed, bias are not. And when you have a bias, you're pretty obvious about it if you start explaining why you don't lie X.

Easy example, everyone critics the pvp to not be attractive and everyone agrees with it. ARR was a slog (now it's a bit better), everyone agrees with it.
The game is not perfect, we don't know all its flaws and strength but we sure can recognize a bias against it.

I'm not sure which stream you're referring to here. I did see a bit of Zach's stream yesterday and just by chance caught a bit where he was talking about Quinn. I've really enjoyed Asmons stuff recently so I'm no hater but I did think he was being a huge hypocrite on this.

Yeah, Asmongold just shut any conversation about Quinn and removed anything about it on his reddit without even trying to grasp the context.
If they are friends (He mentioned they talked together), it can be understandable. No matter what shit you friend pulls, you don't throw them under the bus.
Maybe he simply doesn't wants to deal with it because taking any side would be counter-productive to him.

[Jadedsins]

It's simple:
"I don't like the game and the story sticked with me."

Only LazyPeon and Quinn got a backlash, because they skipped the story and criticized the story.
Imagine if a big celebrity would watch the first 10 mins of Lord of the ring, then skip to the end of the last movie to then criticize the movie is bad. No doubt history would repeat.
Critics are welcomed, bias are not. And when you have a bias, you're pretty obvious about it if you start explaining why you don't lie X.

Easy example, everyone critics the pvp to not be attractive and everyone agrees with it. ARR was a slog (now it's a bit better), everyone agrees with it.
The game is not perfect, we don't know all its flaws and strength but we sure can recognize a bias against it.

They don't deserve the backlash because of how they played.


How about this. It is squares fault for having a boost in the first place, because in other games it is the normal to boost. So this company in a cash grab has a cash shop item that can ruin the game for certain amount of people. So that is the fault with the company.


It can easily be turned around like that, but that is not really my point. My point is, lazy peon, and Quinn both don't deserve to be attacked for having dumb takes.

[CKNovel]

They don't deserve the backlash because of how they played.
How about this. It is squares fault for having a boost in the first place, because in other games it is the normal to boost. So this company in a cash grab has a cash shop item that can ruin the game for certain amount of people. So that is the fault with the company.

It can easily be turned around like that, but that is not really my point. My point is, lazy peon, and Quinn both don't deserve to be attacked for having dumb takes.

No you don't deserve a backslash based on how you play a game. Otherwise game journalists would have a hardtime.
No one deserves backlash like no one deserves to burn themselves when they play with fire. But that's a consequence that is out of our hands.
On top of that, the backlash is not about "how they played" but what they criticize based on the ridiculously low experience they had with the game.

The boosts is not SQEX fault, look at the fire example just above. Boost is a tool, if you know how and when to use it, it's great. If you don't your experience of the game will be reduced.
But for a first experience, it's not advised to use a boost. Fun fact, Quinn did a poll to ask his community if he should quit the game or boost.
Obviously his viewers saw that it wasn't his game and advised him to quit (70% of them), yet he decided to boost.

Xenosys has a great take on the boost, if you're not a story enjoyer you can boost as the game doesn't teach mechanics or anything about the game. But you have to do homework to understand the game.
Again, there's plenty of materials to show that they did not do any of these and used the boost in the worst way possible.

[Artemiz]

They don't deserve the backlash because of how they played.

That's the price you have to pay for having far more influence than us normal people though. If I say something stupid in a work meeting or down the pub I will receive backlash, it's just limited to the people who heard what I said. I can also only influence a small group of people. They can influence thousands of people but the scale of backlash mirrors that.

[Jadedsins]

No you don't deserve a backslash based on how you play a game. Otherwise game journalists would have a hardtime.
No one deserves backlash like no one deserves to burn themselves when they play with fire. But that's a consequence that is out of our hands.
On top of that, the backlash is not about "how they played" but what they criticize based on the ridiculously low experience they had with the game.

The boosts is not SQEX fault, look at the fire example just above. Boost is a tool, if you know how and when to use it, it's great. If you don't your experience of the game will be reduced.
But for a first experience, it's not advised to use a boost. Fun fact, Quinn did a poll to ask his community if he should quit the game or boost.
Obviously his viewers saw that it wasn't his game and advised him to quit (70% of them), yet he decided to boost.

Xenosys has a great take on the boost, if you're not a story enjoyer you can boost as the game doesn't teach mechanics or anything about the game. But you have to do homework to understand the game.
Again, there's plenty of materials to show that they did not do any of these and used the boost in the worst way possible.

I mean what they said was true to them, and even if it is not. I still don't see how someone dumb two cents is worth getting that upset over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFhzDLFc0ks


More and more content makers, and streamers are seeing the dark side of the community that I've known about for years. The person is wrong with his takes, and said some stupid stuff, but the outrage he got was just silly.

[Atreides]

Yeah, Asmongold just shut any conversation about Quinn and removed anything about it on his reddit without even trying to grasp the context.
If they are friends (He mentioned they talked together), it can be understandable. No matter what shit you friend pulls, you don't throw them under the bus.
Maybe he simply doesn't wants to deal with it because taking any side would be counter-productive to him.

Asmongold does that because he knows exactly how mob mentality can easily go either way. It starts with Quin but later can come at him too. He just wants any kind of mob behavior to die down quickly because it is not healthy for anyone.

So I can see why he didn't want to get into the context for him, it's do or die when it comes to this.
That's why his take was also that those people even if they are called "minority" still represent the FFXIV community as a whole with this kind of behavior, while I do not agree that 100 extremely toxic players can represent a whole community I can see his standpoint though.

Because if you view it from the outside you see exactly those 100 people going on a rampage, so for outsiders they do represent the FFXIV community as a whole.
That being said it played out well FOR Quin because people did play in his hands. I happened to watch the stream when he made the first tweet, he provoked the "FF weebs" as he called the community to come at him when he opened this tweet and people took the bait.
Quin became LazyPeon 2.0 and Asmon also heard about the lazypeon thing, what he does not know is, that outside of LazyPeon and Quin no one got that hard of a backlash from the FF community.

The information Asmon has is that the community CAN be very toxic to "streamers in general" if they criticize their game. Thats why he will not start to argue with people about that and just wants to bring a stop to this. He has seen time and again what mob mentality can do when left unchecked with his own community.
It starts as memes and can end in death threats.

[CKNovel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFhzDLFc0ks

There is a few missing points but TL;DW: "Quinn doesn't deserves backlash no matter how bad his critics are".
And that's exactly what we are talking about for hours now.

Big missing points:
-People are crapping on his dps -> Because he stated he was top DPS and playing perfectly.
-"Gave the game a fair shot" -> He didn't, he went in with a bias. Fully determined to hate the game.
-Even his own community called him out for his crap and that's not mentionned anywhere, mods included. They weren't backlashing, it wasn't XIV community and they were upset as well.

The problem is not his opinions, it's his attitude.

Let me give you a truth:
Everyone can be angry and upset. There's no magic community that is immune to it. How you manage your anger depends on each individual and that includes Quinn that has massive problem when it comes to anger management.
There's no community with a "dark side", it's always a bunch of human people sticked together.
The problem now is that his defenders plays the victim card to hide his behavior and his "fair and honest take". He doesn't likes the game, so be it. But that's not what people are calling him for.

He's being called out for his dishonnesty and narcissism. Which of course he doesn't deserves to be backlashed for.

[Kaurhz]

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It goes back to the whole maxim of "Treat people how you wish to be treated yourself" - Now I'm not saying the magnitude of hate he received for his comments is warranted. But in the same vein if you aren't going to respect the game itself enough to give it a proper try before trying to make some bold critiques about it then he's going to get backlash for it.

For example; and whilst I would agree here the starting of ARR is obnoxiously slow. But he didn't even give it the time of day beyond that to even try to check out the story leading to Stormblood, or even the Inn room that matter- Before trying to dump on the quality of the lore overall whilst subsequently trying to make comparisons between the lore of WoW and FFXIV.

Another example just being the downright and blatant lack of common courtesy for trying to learn the systems in-game, be it combat, mechanically, or otherwise. There are genuine issues with the gameplay itself, sure, but again it goes back to the common courtesy of giving the game a genuine try before reviewing these. He was critiquing systems that he blatantly didn't understand how to play or the purpose for said choices. E.g. if you call the gameplay and combat slow and clunky whilst in the same vein not using all of your skills, and the oGCDs that are used were being used as GCDs. Of course, he's going to find it clunky, oGCDs help give the game a lot more fluency.

Next comes the whole conundrum with the community itself. In many cases when he died it was for reasons that were blatantly his own. When you stand in 2 Fire orb AoEs and get clapped for your maximum HP twice over then I'm sorry but no healer is saving you, hard as they might try. Then when you subsequently deflect these mistakes as though they're that of anyone but your own, then you're going to meet the ire. You'd get called out on this with any team-oriented game.

Finally, comes the bold claim that he was keeping up with many experienced Level 80 players when in reality this is simply untrue. Not to mention this is incredibly disrespectful towards many people that put a significant time into learning their class. If you aren't good at the game, or suck at the game, or underperform at the game, all of these things are OK, these elements are ironed out as you become more familiar with encounters and the game systems themselves. But don't try and say you were keeping up with experienced players/veterans of the game.

If any reviewer went with the same conduct that he carried when trying to make even a remotely informed or substantiated claims or review, and especially if the conduct were publicly visible, they would get crucified and shunned by any community. As I've personally stated, I don't take an issue with the opinions he had, just the simple fact of the matter that his opinions were created through poor conduct, and an outright lack of passion or regard for the game and community itself therein.

It doesn't all justify the magnitude of hate or harassment that you get but again, it goes back to the two simple maxims of "Treat people how you wish to be treated yourself" and "You reap what you sow" - It just so happens a lot of people in this community follow these quite heavily, and then scorn got met with scorn.