Shell FCs are a bigger problem than we think...

[Masekase_Hurricane]

As for why I'm making the four member distinction, please go read https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../housing_land/ . That page lists a requirement of at least four members to buy an FC house, it should also require at least four members to keep the FC house. That also follows with how many people are required to create the FC in the first place (four total signatures). It's as if SE considers four the minimum number of people for an FC.

With the exception of the number of personal houses that exist, personally houses are otherwise completely irrelevant to this discussion.

FCs with less than four members should have never been allowed to have housing in the first place (and arguably should have been deleted once they fell below that threshold). All of this is (yet another) example of SE not putting in restrictions where they should have and end up causing more pain and suffering with housing in the long run.

Oh, and do us all a favor and release the actual data, not data slices that have been manicured to fit your argument.

Edit:
I'll do a more indepth response once I have the time to do so.

So basically invite 3 others add 3 alts kick the 3 used to make the company. fixed?

Only thing that really needs to happen is make an allotment zone, workshop zone, make them all just personal houses with the option to purchase rooms and shareable with the max fc limit. Even better just make them all instanced...

[MistyMew]

Housing needs to be 100% instanced from here on out.
FC and personal

Auto demolition must be revoked, its a very shady thing to do to ACTIVE subs..really sketchy

Housing MUST be avail for ALL characters (not just 1 /service account)
They have had since 2014 to realize and adjust what the entire player base has figured out within the first year of housing.

I love housing, one of the things I enjoy the most in FFXIV is to decorate . I am happy it is here!!
But it must be for all, every last player and FC. the limitations need to go.

Other games have done it, this 2 billion dollar $$ company can as well.

Instanced housing offered should be all M to L and possibly XL, with vastly increased item limit, indoor gardens and a separate room we can enter (barn sort of thing) for chocobo levelling and color changes

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[Hugh_Mercer]

How many FC's have I helped in terms of loans in gil? To make housing a paid service as well will anger me to no end. I have invested so much time into this game already; spent so much already. I do not care about anything else in the game. I don't even know the characters names in the plot except the dragon (dungeon boss). I literally brought this game for nothing else; it's the only mmo I heard of with housing with this par of customization and personal flair.

It's almost been a year straight of me playing and trying to get my house; I've complained so much in shout and public and homies think it's a joke. It's cruel cruel fate, the game HAD to recommend Balmung to be my starting server. But at this point I dont care anymore, if I can't have my fucking plot, none of you guys should either. That god damn simple.

[Arazehl]

Again I'm all for the 4 member minimum, but for a small plot/FC. I think the bigger the plot the higher the (active) member requirement for FC housing should be. All the graphs, charts and even the Lodestone do not take into consideration that the majority of members in any one given FC is inactive. This needs to change as well and only should active accounts be counted on an FC's roster. Accounts showing an absence of six months or more should not be taken into consideration as belonging to any one FC, when all it is, is a lie

SE gives us tools to maintain an FC and recruit, such as The Community Finder, Party Finder, communication channels and there is Discord. Of course all the shell FC's aren't going to bother with recruiting because there so little requirements that needs to be met. They just want a home with the amenities and privileges an FC has, which should only be exclusive to actual FC's. I feel these fake FC's should loose the privilege to hold their current FC housing if such requirement are not met within an allotted period and give meaning and purpose back to running an FC. Today FC's actual purpose becomes less and less in FFXIV, especially when it comes to housing. Many have found a way to use this title to their advantage base on so little required and all we can do is sit back and watch.

[Besame]

I agree this housing system is totally screwed but if it was making me that angry and I could not get what was advertised after a time, I'd just quit. Many other games to play out there.

[ForbiddenMonk]

It's almost been a year straight of me playing and trying to get my house; I've complained so much in shout and public and homies think it's a joke. It's cruel cruel fate, the game HAD to recommend Balmung to be my starting server. But at this point I dont care anymore, if I can't have my fucking plot, none of you guys should either. That god damn simple.

Behold, the byproduct of the "Participation awards".

[HuaTuo]

How many FC's have I helped in terms of loans in gil? To make housing a paid service as well will anger me to no end. I have invested so much time into this game already; spent so much already. I do not care about anything else in the game. I don't even know the characters names in the plot except the dragon (dungeon boss). I literally brought this game for nothing else; it's the only mmo I heard of with housing with this par of customization and personal flair.

It's almost been a year straight of me playing and trying to get my house; I've complained so much in shout and public and homies think it's a joke. It's cruel cruel fate, the game HAD to recommend Balmung to be my starting server. But at this point I dont care anymore, if I can't have my fucking plot, none of you guys should either. That god damn simple.

lol do yourself a favour then and transfer to Bismarck on Materia. There's personal wards with all of TWO houses in them. It's also a transfer free destination, so no RMT to move. Who cares about ping when you can have a mansion, innit! I've done this myself and now own 2 mansions of 2 separate materia worlds on 2 chars. I sure am gutted for my friends who get the zero bug, but you people you keep crying about no houses, having done absolutely nothing to help yourself getting one, well, sux to be you doesn't it! xD

[Shuuli]

Why don't you go and ask the JP players why they are playing the way they are? It's really funny how you are projecting your own definition of acceptability on a group of players you don't even interact with.

The picture you posted shows the lowest category with 11-30 members, this can be in portion of whatever percentage between 11-30 in distribution being 100% to 0% (cause I don't see this page saying anywhere that these are averaged). Moreover, where is the 0-11 category???
What OP described is 1-3 with lower number of people than what is allowed to start an FC.

However, saying that OP is barking at the wrong tree is correct but is a bit rude, but not wrong. We should say that having only 6 ward for personal housing should be swapped and then people would not be forced to do this trickery with the numbers.

[Big_Bap]

The picture you posted shows the lowest category with 11-30 members, this can be in portion of whatever percentage between 11-30 in distribution being 100% to 0% (cause I don't see this page saying anywhere that these are averaged). Moreover, where is the 0-11 category???

https://datastudio.google.com/report...e56/page/ez06B

Anyhow, what's your point? Nobody talked about proportions and it's a bit hard to argue that the Japanese players have no interest in large FCs when Europe is almost beating them in that regard despite having 12 servers... compared to 32. But here you go:

https://i.imgur.com/AZIp4ae.png



https://i.imgur.com/R7nugjv.png

What OP described is 1-3 with lower number of people than what is allowed to start an FC. However, saying that OP is barking at the wrong tree is correct but is a bit rude, but not wrong.

Regarding the 1-3 members comment and how they should have asked the JPs about their immoral actions:

https://i.imgur.com/tPHLQIU.png

We should say that having only 6 ward for personal housing should be swapped and then people would not be forced to do this trickery with the numbers.

No, SE is doing the same thing they have previously done before via personal housing moratoriums. The only difference is they are allowing FCs to claim most of the medium and larges, which is fine by me. It's almost like everyone writing that comment has just started playing or suddenly cares about housing when everything is repeating itself. They'll let personal houses in the other wards when they'll be content.

[Catstab]

It's almost been a year straight of me playing and trying to get my house... if I can't have my fucking plot, none of you guys should either. That god damn simple.

If someone playing for months can't attain what people have gotten in half a decade, the game is broken?