Shell FCs are a bigger problem than we think...

[Jojoya]

The point is that FC housing can accommodate way more people than personal housing. Hence why personal housing is much more problematic, granted it takes up the majority of the plots for a lot less players.

Trying to stay out of most of this argument but I do want to touch on this point.

Why do most players want a personal house? They want a chance to decorate a house to their liking along with access to gardening.

What do most FCs not grant the majority of their members? A chance to decorate and garden at the FC house. The house tends to end up the plaything of the leader and sometimes the officers. That's also tends to be true of the workshop airships and submersibles. Some don't even give members access to the Fabrication Station when there are no downsides to allowing it unless the officers like leaving projects sitting on the station half finished.

There's little point in saying that FC houses accommodate more players if most FC members aren't getting what they want from housing out of it.

[Nepentha]

Trying to stay out of most of this argument but I do want to touch on this point.

Why do most players want a personal house? They want a chance to decorate a house to their liking along with access to gardening.

What do most FCs not grant the majority of their members? A chance to decorate and garden at the FC house. The house tends to end up the plaything of the leader and sometimes the officers. That's also tends to be true of the workshop airships and submersibles. Some don't even give members access to the Fabrication Station when there are no downsides to allowing it unless the officers like leaving projects sitting on the station half finished.

There's little point in saying that FC houses accommodate more players if most FC members aren't getting what they want from housing out of it.

I get what you're saying but I think he's just trying to drive home a point, that's all. Worrying over FCs with less than 4 members having housing, over personal houses who can only ever have a set number of people using them at max.

[Big_Bap]

Why do most players want a personal house? They want a chance to decorate a house to their liking along with access to gardening.

Sure, but thats a bit narrow-minded. People want things they don't even need, hence why so many personal houses are barren.

I would add that there's hardly anything to spend gil on and that some people end up buying a house as a status symbol.

What do most FCs not grant the majority of their members? A chance to decorate and garden at the FC house. The house tends to end up the plaything of the leader and sometimes the officers.

That's also tends to be true of the workshop airships and submersibles. Some don't even give members access to the Fabrication Station when there are no downsides to allowing it unless the officers like leaving projects sitting on the station half finished.

There's little point in saying that FC houses accommodate more players if most FC members aren't getting what they want from housing out of it.

I briefly touched on the subject.

Ask yourself why the average FC with a house on the NA servers has twice as many members as on the JP servers. Is it "cultural differences" or is it because conditions are more than favorable for an environment where FC housing ressources have better chances of being redistributed or accessible down the chain.

Another important question is why do players, who are unsatisfied by the FC permissions they are granted, are not leaving their FC to make their own? Workshops are a big commitment and just like Fc chest permissions or good old Fc permissions, its better to be safe than sorry. Given that SE won't do anything if a FC members decides to cause trouble, I don't think it's unreasonable for FC leaders/officers to limit access to those facilities.

Finally, your same point about permissions can be applied to personal housing. How many have tenants to begin with? How many let their tenants do whatever with a house that isn't theirs?

As demonstrated, even in a fairy tale scenario where all the existing personal houses have 3 tenants, it's impossible for personal housing to grant the housing experience (limited or not) to as many players as FC housing.


EDIT: It's also worth noting that everything you've said is only available for FC houses. Personal housing is awfully inferior and further locks players out of content that is only available in FC housing.

[Sotaris]

Why should the initial requirement and the maintenance requirement of member numbers be the same. Seems pointless to only buy a plot with a FC with 4 members if dropping 1 member means you all lose the house you worked towards. I'm genuinely fascinated you can't figure that out.

Welcome to the club. No one understand why he can't figure these things out related to housing.
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