Shell FCs are a bigger problem than we think...

[Big_Bap]

Look at you, failing to use data properly. I will point out that you are, yet again, blowing things out of proportion.

You might want to take a look at the amount of FCs of various sizes... with or without a house. You will quickly realize that Japanese players are not very interested in anything but small FCs.

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*Gasp*

Could it be that because they have a lot more servers for their amount of players... being part of small FCs is just... normal... damn...


Additionally, regardless of what you call a shell FC, the amount of players that benefit from FC housing is higher than what personal housing could ever achieve.

So yeah, you are barking at the wrong tree.

Better question: Why is it considered acceptable that an FC with less people than is needed to create it can hold land given the extreme land shortages that FFXIV has been experiencing?

Why don't you go and ask the JP players why they are playing the way they are? It's really funny how you are projecting your own definition of acceptability on a group of players you don't even interact with.

[Almagnus1]

Look at you, failing to use data properly. I will point out that you are, yet again, blowing things out of proportion.

Your data shows that NA has 38,772 FC houses, 6053 of which have less than 4 members to them (which is 15.61%), while EU has 18,342 FC houses and roughly 3,519 have less than 4 members, which is 19.19%. So the 20% worldwide is actually higher because the problem is worse in JP than it is in the other regions.

You might want to take a look at the amount of FCs of various sizes... with or without a house. You will quickly realize that Japanese players are not very interested in anything but small FCs.

So you're saying that of the 62,681 FC houses in Japan, 48,527 of them which are for FCs that are 4+ members (which is what I consider to be a legitimate FC in the scope of this post) don't care about small FCs?

I'm not talking about them, only the 14,154 FC houses for FCs that have 1-3 members, which comprise 22.58% of the FC houses in JP.

Additionally, regardless of what you call a shell FC, the amount of players that benefit from FC housing is higher than what personal housing could ever achieve.

So then why does the data at https://www.xivhousing.com/ show that there's a worldwide total of 266,703 personal houses (and/or vacant - your data lumps these two together for whatever reason) and only 124,977 FC houses? (For that matter, there is no datacenter that has more FC houses than personal houses).

If what you are saying is true, shouldn't that ratio be reversed?

Why don't you go and ask the JP players why they are playing the way they are? It's really funny how you are projecting your own definition of acceptability on a group of players you don't even interact with.

Because this isn't a JP only thing.

[Big_Bap]

I see you have reading difficulties. Let's start from the beginning again.


You say "Shell FCs are a bigger problem than we think...".

First off, who's "we"?

You?
The players who post on this forum?
If so, why do you include Japanese players who don't even write in this section? I can't help but notice you made no effort in asking them why they favor smaller FCs. Or better yet, find me extensive posts from Japanese players who show as much disdain for small FCs as you do. The very reason why you can filter servers by Data Center or Region is to provide fair comparisons. You chose to bundle everything together to make it seem like this is a bigger problem than it actually is, when it's hardly a problem in the first place.

I know you like to cry about people who criticize you and how they "put words in your mouth", but you chose the word "we" while also including players that quite simply do not belong or even wish to post here.

Anyhow, let's go back to this "problem"... have some proper stats as of March:

Characters with access to FC housing: 1,848,832
Characters with access to personal housing (with all 3 tenants): 271,885 (1,087,540)

Average characters per FC with a house:

NA: 23.4
EU: 17.01
JP: 10.4


FCs with a house and less than 4 members:

NA: 6,053
EU: 3,519
JP: 14,154

FCs with a house and less than 4 members created since the temporary restrictions have been added:

NA: 3,217
EU: 2,257
JP: 6,522

If you still want to run with a global stat that suits your pseudo agenda, despite the clear differences between the 3 regions, then go ahead, embarrass yourself even more!

Are you still reading or are you gonna flee as you did in your thread about apartments?

Back on topic, you voluntarily decided to include FCs that have been purchased before the "temporary restrictions" were added. Why? Actually, you don't need to answer, the readers know why you would.

Let's compare the amount of FC houses with less than 4 members that have been purchased after those restrictions against all the FC houses:

NA: 3,217 out of 38,772 or 8.3%
EU: 2,257 out of 18,342 or 12.3%
JP: 6,522 out of 62,681 or 10.4%

Now let's compare your so-called "shell FCs" against all the available plots:

NA: 3,528 out of 138,240 or 2.5%
EU: 2,378 out of 69,120 or 3.4%
JP: 7,185 out of 184,320 or 3.9%

So there you go. If these % are such a big problem for you, you might want to seek help from a professional. But as stated by others, you are unqualified to decide what a proper FC is.

While you are here, what are your thoughts on removing personal housing from players who are not consistently capped when it comes to tenants? If you want to take away FC houses that are below the initial members requirement, why not advocate for the same thing for personal housing? After all, as shown above, personal housing cannot accommodate nearly as many players as FC housing.

Bonus question... should every single Free Company that falls below 4 members be terminated? Again, the initial requirement to submit a petition is 4 members.


*For the record, the % of "shell FCs" is even lower if you start adding filters like FC rank/GC status, but I had to give them a chance*

Rank 6-8 FCs with a house and 3 members or less:

NA: 3,080 out of 138,240 or 2.2%
EU: 1,807 out of 69,120 or 2.6%
JP: 5,155 out of 184,320 or 2.8%

Rank 6-8 FCs with a house and 3 members or less created since patch 4.2.

NA: 2,411 out of 138,240 or 1.7%
EU: 1,699out of 69,120 or 2.5%
JP: 1,209 out of 184,320 or 0.6%

[Shuuli]

Why don't you go and ask the JP players why they are playing the way they are? It's really funny how you are projecting your own definition of acceptability on a group of players you don't even interact with.

The picture you posted shows the lowest category with 11-30 members, this can be in portion of whatever percentage between 11-30 in distribution being 100% to 0% (cause I don't see this page saying anywhere that these are averaged). Moreover, where is the 0-11 category???
What OP described is 1-3 with lower number of people than what is allowed to start an FC.

However, saying that OP is barking at the wrong tree is correct but is a bit rude, but not wrong. We should say that having only 6 ward for personal housing should be swapped and then people would not be forced to do this trickery with the numbers.

[Big_Bap]

The picture you posted shows the lowest category with 11-30 members, this can be in portion of whatever percentage between 11-30 in distribution being 100% to 0% (cause I don't see this page saying anywhere that these are averaged). Moreover, where is the 0-11 category???

https://datastudio.google.com/report...e56/page/ez06B

Anyhow, what's your point? Nobody talked about proportions and it's a bit hard to argue that the Japanese players have no interest in large FCs when Europe is almost beating them in that regard despite having 12 servers... compared to 32. But here you go:

https://i.imgur.com/AZIp4ae.png



https://i.imgur.com/R7nugjv.png

What OP described is 1-3 with lower number of people than what is allowed to start an FC. However, saying that OP is barking at the wrong tree is correct but is a bit rude, but not wrong.

Regarding the 1-3 members comment and how they should have asked the JPs about their immoral actions:

https://i.imgur.com/tPHLQIU.png

We should say that having only 6 ward for personal housing should be swapped and then people would not be forced to do this trickery with the numbers.

No, SE is doing the same thing they have previously done before via personal housing moratoriums. The only difference is they are allowing FCs to claim most of the medium and larges, which is fine by me. It's almost like everyone writing that comment has just started playing or suddenly cares about housing when everything is repeating itself. They'll let personal houses in the other wards when they'll be content.