Shell FCs are a bigger problem than we think...

[Big_Bap]

When your suggestion is so bad that you have to pull the RMT boogeyman. How sad. Anyone wanna talk about minions/mounts/hairstyles selling for more than houses on the MB and how they aren't saying anything about that?

Hey, sit back and enjoy the irony below

Nothing new there... the weak will always blame someone else rather than be introspective.

I also never make mistakes, just happy accidents =D

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we also shouldn't play the victim for sympathy when we're in the wrong, and own our mistakes.

You're still blaming the victim....

That's sexual harassment, stop calling me darling. I am not your girlfriend.

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you may want to be careful on that or the resident elitist is going to call you a noob for it.

Stop posting your garbage all over this forum.

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Do you have actual data to back that up that claim?

Do you have data to back up this point?

Until we have the SE stats (and not some third party site that may have doctored stats), we don't know [...] what percentage of the FCs are FCs with less than four members

After lookign through the data at https://www.xivhousing.com/

I have a strong feeling that if stats of that nature were published we'd probably be shocked at the amount of FC houses that fall into the two buckets I listed

Shell FCs are a bigger problem than we [I] think...

FC houses with less than 4 members
NA: 6,053 (4.4% of all houses on that region)
EU: 3,519 (5% of all houses on that region)
JP: 14,154 (7.7% of all houses in that region)

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Quit dodging the question.

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You think this issue is not going to be seriously addressed until it's a problem in JP?

Exactly, if we're not from Japan, we need to be accepting of FFXIV for what it is, and not try to colonize the dev team to make it what we want it to be by forcing our culture upon them.

shell FCs need to be dealt with because they are exacerbating the housing problem. Of all the servers, Chocobo is the poster child for this problem with 891 of the 2613 FC houses belonging to a shell FC

If/when the devs take interest in such a drastic remedy [Deleting small Free Companies], you can be assured that JP forum will come alive with protest.

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The problem with throwing more hurdles in front of people is your going to always have someone that figures out how to shortcut it, while the hurdles only frustrate the legitimate users.

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Posted on 07-28-2021
Methinks the takeaway here is that some language translators aren't as good as others, and if it's this bad rendering into English... I'd rather not post in another language on a different part of the forum.

Posted on 10-13-2020
スクウェア・エニックスは、新しいワードを追加する以外に、これについて何かをする必要があります。 議論の余地があるかもしれませんが、開発者は、市場での供給不足のために不満を引き起こしているシステムを見ているので、いくつかのパッチで祖父のポリシーに終止符を打つことに注意する必要があると思います。 https://jp.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...ることは本当に良い動きです。 日本のサーバーの中で物事がどのように行われているかについて話すことができませんが、私たちがそうするので、システムを乱用する能力を本当に与えたくないアメリカ人には分かっています。

PS:文法が悪いお詫び申し上げますが、日本語が話せないからtranslate.bing.com使っています。

For the record, their post in Japanese about housing restrictions was ignored for the following 12 pages until the thread died. Not a single thumbs up. I can't wait for them to actually make a thread over there and suggest how SE should delete their "shell FC houses", but I know they are too scared of being humiliated on that board as well. I guess they could flee to the German or French forums...

[Almagnus1]

Ah, so that's your response....

When your suggestion is so bad that you have to pull the RMT boogeyman. How sad. Anyone wanna talk about minions/mounts/hairstyles selling for more than houses on the MB and how they aren't saying anything about that?

Hey, sit back and enjoy the irony below




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For the record, their post in Japanese about housing restrictions was ignored for the following 12 pages until the thread died. Not a single thumbs up. I can't wait for them to actually make a thread over there and suggest how SE should delete their "shell FC houses", but I know they are too scared of being humiliated on that board as well. I guess they could flee to the German or French forums...

I'm not surprised this is how you respond after making an embarassement of yourself in the Japanese forums on the thread you created (https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...B3%AA%E5%95%8F ).

You completely failed to take into consideration the Japanese phrase "The nail that stands out gets hammered down", and also failed to take into consideration that the Japanese are obviously smarter than you so they would see through the stunt you tried to pull there. I mean, what you did was so highly offensive that one of the posters went so far as to delete their post from the thread, with the deleted post between posts 21 and 22 leaving the message:

スレッド自体が荒らし目的だったようなので削除します。

As you have not refuted my post, I must assume that you agree with everything that was stated. For those wondering, here is that post:

私は私の北米のカウンターパートの一人のために謝罪する必要がありますが、彼らは北米のフォーラムで彼らの弱い議論をバックアップするためにあなたを操作する意図を持って日本のコミュニティに苦痛を作成するために、このスレッドを作成しました。 私は彼らの不正行為に非常に恥ずかしく、彼らが自分の個人的なニーズのために日本のコミュニティを荒らす必要性を感じていることを残念に思います。

Original English:
I must apologize for one of my North American counterparts, but they created this thread to create distress in the Japanese community with the intent to manipulate you into backing up their weak argument in the North American forum. I am greatly embarrassed by their misbehavior here, and regret they feel the need to troll the Japanese community for their own personal needs.

Just do us all a favor and stop this pointless crusade.

[Awha]

Two thoughts:
1) If you had spent your time thinking and posting ideas instead of attacking me, we'd already be in a housing golden age and many of these issues solved.

2) It's been a rough week at work, so can I have whatever you're smoking? It'd help me relax =)

You know that is not true, a housing golden age would only happen if SE made the choice to either enforce their desired design or expanded the options of apartments with or something.

If sarcasm sorry.

[Almagnus1]

You know that is not true, a housing golden age would only happen if SE made the choice to either enforce their desired design or expanded the options of apartments with or something.

Totally agree with the enforcement, but I wonder if the housing stuff is just low on the totem pole when looking at everything else in the game. A little enforcement along the way would have headed off many of the issues we're now dealing with, and stopped little lizards from becoming dragons so to speak.

I'm starting to suspect that housing just hasn't had the dev time it really needed until recently, as the system has largely been the same since it's release back in ARR.

If sarcasm sorry.

No worries, hyperbolic sarcasm tends to get lost in text... but the point still stands that if a lot of my detractors had put the effort into brainstorming and creating threads with better ideas (instead of attacking me), the forum would be flooded with those threads which would have drowned out mine, and then people posting in those threads would have ensured that the bad ideas just fall off the forum because they simply aren't popular. I don't know if it's fear or inability that prevents them, but it's something they definitely need to get over and start making positive contributions to this forum.

[Awha]

Totally agree with the enforcement, but I wonder if the housing stuff is just low on the totem pole when looking at everything else in the game. A little enforcement along the way would have headed off many of the issues we're now dealing with, and stopped little lizards from becoming dragons so to speak.

I'm starting to suspect that housing just hasn't had the dev time it really needed until recently, as the system has largely been the same since it's release back in ARR.



No worries, hyperbolic sarcasm tends to get lost in text... but the point still stands that if a lot of my detractors had put the effort into brainstorming and creating threads with better ideas (instead of attacking me), the forum would be flooded with those threads which would have drowned out mine, and then people posting in those threads would have ensured that the bad ideas just fall off the forum because they simply aren't popular. I don't know if it's fear or inability that prevents them, but it's something they definitely need to get over and start making positive contributions to this forum.

That may be the case but I also think it is the responsibility of the person putting forth the idea to really dig deep to see if the idea actually solves anything before posting it.

Issue with housing many of the ideas are simply just not possible and the ideas that are possible legit just pass the buck in terms of annoyance does not really fix anything.

[Almagnus1]

That may be the case but I also think it is the responsibility of the person putting forth the idea to really dig deep to see if the idea actually solves anything before posting it.

Issue with housing many of the ideas are simply just not possible and the ideas that are possible legit just pass the buck in terms of annoyance does not really fix anything.

On the other hand, discussing what is (and isn't) a problem can bring up different perspectives that may often get overlooked, and (in this thread) people speaking up about the edge cases is a good thing as it spotlights problems with doing blanket enforcement.

I mean, how much of https://youtu.be/BJwPCxau7CA?t=334 is still relevant?

In terms of people who are reselling, like giving up their home and then trying to sell it off for an enormous amount of gil, that sort of reselling of housing is a no-go. We do not stand for that.

When you do see a player that is obviously utilizing their housing to sell it off for a really high amount, and you do see in party finder, please let us know. Report it to us and then GM's will go in and investigate. And if we do find evidence that it is true that a certain player is going out there selling off their land for an unusually large amount of money, we will try to go in there and make them refund that gil and return the land.

We may have mentioned it before, but we do not allow people to do something as malicious as selling some of these plots. Again, once we have it reported, we will investigate and find the evidence. And once we find sufficient evidence, we will try to address it and rectify the situation.

[Awha]

On the other hand, discussing what is (and isn't) a problem can bring up different perspectives that may often get overlooked, and (in this thread) people speaking up about the edge cases is a good thing as it spotlights problems with doing blanket enforcement.

I mean, how much of https://youtu.be/BJwPCxau7CA?t=334 is still relevant?

Point is addressing issues without any means to alter or implement change just becomes an exercise is discussing just for the sake of discussion. Which for some is cool but for others it gets boring rather quickly.

Cause end of the day the problems with RMT, Boting, and housing begin and end with SE and their lax enforcement. The community already knows a problem exists as do the devs. Different perspectives are moot when those with the control already know a problem exists but for whatever reason be it limitations or not a priority they have not done anything to address said issue. All we can do as players at that point is work within the system we have.

[Jojoya]

You know that is not true, a housing golden age would only happen if SE made the choice to either enforce their desired design or expanded the options of apartments with or something.

If sarcasm sorry.

Enforcing their desired design wouldn't lead to a housing Golden Age. It's not realistic because of server hardware demands and what's currently a still growing player base. The Golden Age would only happen if the population of players dropped well below the number of available plots.

They would need to switch to a fully instanced system for a Golden Age to happen. Other MMORPGs using instanced housing are having no problems meeting player demand to the point that they allow individual characters (not just accounts) to own multiple housing properties.

I still don't understand SE's stubbornness on this issue. Wards add no value to housing because they're empty the majority of the time. The bulk of the game happens outside the wards so there's little reason for players to be in the wards outside of RP events. Those can take place in a good instanced housing system just as easily, and be advertised just as easily in PF as the current RP venues are.

[Awha]

Enforcing their desired design wouldn't lead to a housing Golden Age. It's not realistic because of server hardware demands and what's currently a still growing player base. The Golden Age would only happen if the population of players dropped well below the number of available plots.

They would need to switch to a fully instanced system for a Golden Age to happen. Other MMORPGs using instanced housing are having no problems meeting player demand to the point that they allow individual characters (not just accounts) to own multiple housing properties.

I still don't understand SE's stubbornness on this issue. Wards add no value to housing because they're empty the majority of the time. The bulk of the game happens outside the wards so there's little reason for players to be in the wards outside of RP events. Those can take place in a good instanced housing system just as easily, and be advertised just as easily in PF as the current RP venues are.

Actually enforcing their design would indeed lead to a housing golden age within the context of FFXIV. At that point people will know exactly where they stand with SE's vision, cause as you mentioned the other suggestions are not possible so a golden age would have to exist under the limitations placed on FFXIV thus the comment if they just enforced their design choices then at that point their would be no more ambiguity about their intent or what they want from housing.

Think that transparency would alleviate much of the housing drama. As mentioned I was talking about a golden age within ffxiv working within their limits.

Thus why I mentioned expanding apartments because that was an idea they mentioned they were working on but that probably is also outside the scope.

[Almagnus1]

I still don't understand SE's stubbornness on this issue. Wards add no value to housing because they're empty the majority of the time. The bulk of the game happens outside the wards so there's little reason for players to be in the wards outside of RP events. Those can take place in a good instanced housing system just as easily, and be advertised just as easily in PF as the current RP venues are.

I think it has a lot to do with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost#Fallacy_effect