Remove Extremes from Mentor Roulette

[Anhra]

The Mentors in this Thread should stop being such big babies themselves and not just blame anything that goes wrong to the new kid(s) arround the block. People can and will make mistakes and it IS your responsibility as a Mentor, to help them to the best of your abilities. If you dont like it, then stop being one.

Mentor Requirements should be alot higher than they currently are, since the amount of bad Mentors is just as bad as the amount of "bad players" they are suppoest to cater to.

[ZedxKayn]

The Mentors in this Thread should stop being such big babies themselves and not just blame anything that goes wrong to the new kid(s) arround the block. People can and will make mistakes and it IS your responsibility as a Mentor, to help them to the best of your abilities. If you dont like it, then stop being one.

Mentor Requirements should be alot higher than they currently are, since the amount of bad Mentors is just as bad as the amount of "bad players" they are suppoest to cater to.

No, it's not our job to teach a WHM to cast stone in EX content.

[Eien713]

But according to certain "elite" mentors who keep queing for extremes somehow keep meeting those ultra bad scary casuals that never improve and keep dying to the same mechanic every fight while that not only is absurd, it shows how clearly biased they are to believe those dirty noob casuals never improve. (Which btw, if you think about it, implies them improving is something pretty great so indirectly boosting their own self worth by believing those ultra noob casuals that never improve are a thing)

Increasing extreme rewards wouldnt be a bad idea at the start, but you know if they cant get their way and because they feel entitled to the rewards just like they feel entitled to quick roflstomp runs, in that case they ll start trying to kick everyone who doesnt listen to their superior advice and do exactly what they say, especially since they often fail to communicate appropriately and think they are somekind of leader that gets to command people so of course that attitude will piss people off which might decide to just troll them for their bad behavior.

When I qued for HW extremes even though we had wipes most of us really wanted to beat the boss so we got it down after a few wipes because we learned the mechanics better, everyone improved and beat it, that includes those sprouts and casual players who have no reason to keep failing mechanics since it becomes pretty clear what needs to be done, and there's no elitist going around attacking them or trying to command them.

I assume you're speaking from experience here? My dude, if you haven't set foot in Mentor Roulette, you'll never know how it is. If your assumption is correct, then why is it that Ex fights (except maybe Garuda, Ifrit, and Titan) have such low clear rates? Not to mention that there are some fights that are near impossible in DF. If people improved appropriately, why does the party still fail? It's because they don't. They make the same mistakes over and over and/or instapull and don't read chat. I don't expect people to clear in one go. Heck, I don't expect them to clear in under 30 minutes. And I do get that people make mistakes--we all do. But, dear God, you have no idea how those trials go in DF. My dude, we timed out in dungeons in Mentor Roulette, and that was even after we explained the mechanics.

The Mentors in this Thread should stop being such big babies themselves and not just blame anything that goes wrong to the new kid(s) arround the block. People can and will make mistakes and it IS your responsibility as a Mentor, to help them to the best of your abilities. If you dont like it, then stop being one.

Mentor Requirements should be alot higher than they currently are, since the amount of bad Mentors is just as bad as the amount of "bad players" they are suppoest to cater to.

Again, it's easy to judge from your high horse. Mentors help--they don't carry.

[Nethereal]

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I don't think he even knows what mentor roulette is since he thinks we're queueing for extremes in duty finder. Just give him his straw, he'll quiet down.

Also something you and ralph are missing is that it's not that players don't improve it's that they're already gone after having failed one extreme and have moved on.
The reason you're getting put into an extreme from mentor roulette is because of someone new. There's a new kid on the block now so the circle of suffering anews.
And it's those people who either are facepullers or simply aren't ready for extreme.

[Eien713]

Also something you and ralph are missing is that it's not that players don't improve it's that they're already gone after having failed one extreme and have moved on.
The reason you're getting put into an extreme from mentor roulette is because of someone new. There's a new kid on the block now so the circle of suffering anews.

I hope I didn't misunderstand your post when I wrote this reply. What I personally meant by people not improving appropriately is related to the fight itself. Within the 1 hour allotted to the trial, you still see the same mistakes over and over. Examples would be like people hugging the rocks in Garuda even after being told to stay away from them, people not going to the designated spot when they get marked in Ramuh, etc.

[Nethereal]

I hope I didn't misunderstand your post when I wrote this reply. What I personally meant by people not improving appropriately is related to the fight itself. Within the 1 hour allotted to the trial, you still see the same mistakes over and over. Examples would be like people hugging the rocks in Garuda even after being told to stay away from them, people not going to the designated spot when they get marked in Ramuh, etc.

Haha, no you didn't.

My post takes what you just said : "What I personally meant by people not improving appropriately is related to the fight itself. Within the 1 hour allotted to the trial, you still see the same mistakes over and over."
and assumes that is the default and because the run ends up like that they don't come back to it until much later on hopefully with more experience.

My previous post assumes you were referencing that players didn't improve over time after they left the failed extreme. I usually don't assume people are thinking about such extreme absolutes but these forums.