Endwalker benchmark is significantly better than Shadowbringers

[Nothv13]

So after reading comments on this topic, I decided to compare running the benchmark under borderless window and full screen. Interesting that fullscreen mode actually gave me a lower score than my borderless window mode. I was expecting full screen to have better result lol. Anyone why it is like this?

Borderless window: 11k
FullScreen: 8l

Full screen was the opposite for me. 11K Borderless, 13K fullscreen

[Arrhin]

Can you point to where is the certified document where the norms in the community are ratified and what body certified it? Or are you just making things sound more official to fit your narrative? Either way. My results speak for themselves and it would be ignorant of you to dismiss them as a possibility that is what is happening to OP here.

It is also counter productive to be dismissive when someone comes forth with information that may be of use as well.

It seems OP is experiencing what I experienced running the program windowed. For whatever reason. Meaning my claim is actually what could help solve the riddle as to why his scores differ so much.

*Rubs temples* Ok, so yes, we know there is an issue here, and your information IS of value. What I am trying to tell you is that there is a wealth of knowledge on the topic of fullscreen vs. windowed going back to ARR release on this and many other forums, and yes, there are accepted community norms in terms of this benchmark as well as others, this is what I was referring to. You do you, and I'll do me, that's the best part about PC gaming. Now, that aside I do suggest you monitor your CPU and GPU utilization while running in fullscreen mode. If it's anything like what we've seen before, and what I see now, neither will be at 100%. Typically in a non v-synced setting either CPU or GPU will be at 100% utilization depending on where your system bottleneck is. Once we kick over to either of the windowed modes you'll see the GPU kick up substantially, in my case, to a steady 100% excepting for load screens. Now this is what we expect to see. As for what is going on, IF my memory serves me it has to do with Windows and how it does vsync (which seems to be constantly changing). Now in regards to the difference between the two benchmarks I do recall that ShB had issues with crashing in high framerate situations, or with high refresh rate displays. Now it's possible that this has been remedied and implemented in the EW bench but I do not know. All I do know is there is a massive difference in lowest framerate, where that comes from I have no idea, I'd have to try and do more testing but I'd rather just enjoy the performance boost. Anyways cheers, and if you find anything to add from other posts I think we'd be interested to see it.

[cheolsu]

i ran the benchmarks in borderless window because, as arrhin pointed out, i don't use fullscreen when i play. the game sometimes freezes if i tab out for discord or to look something up on the web, both of which happen often while playing ffxiv, because it's an mmo (i could handle fullscreen with something like tomb raider where i'm playing by myself). i have run the shb benchmark in fullscreen before and gotten slightly better performance--but not enough that i care

the game doesn't appear stretched to me. my monitor is actually 5120x2160 (4k ultrawide, otherwise known as 5k2k). the game looks great at this resolution. but the benchmarks don't do ultrawide so i'm stuck with running the benchmarks at 3840x2160. i don't have cinema 4k in my settings for fullscreen. even if i did, it wouldn't be pixel perfect, and if i manually set that resolution in windowed mode, it'll just change the window and not the aspect ratio of my monitor

[Inosaska]

My performance has actually gone down and I'm not sure why its doing that for the benchmark.

FINAL FANTASY XIV: Shadowbringers Benchmark
Tested on: 7/13/2021 14:06:15
Score: 14192
Average Frame Rate: 101.7494
Minimum Frame Rate: 44
Performance: Extremely High

FINAL FANTASY XIV: Endwalker Benchmark
Tested on: 7/13/2021 14:14:09
Score: 14015
Average Frame Rate: 98.86352
Minimum Frame Rate: 53
Performance: Very High

EDIT: To remove the terrible screen tearing that occurs in the benchmarks I changed to borderless windowed and lose FPS. Results are shown below.

FINAL FANTASY XIV: Shadowbringers Benchmark
Tested on: 7/13/2021 14:25:40
Score: 13765
Average Frame Rate: 96.99744
Minimum Frame Rate: 46
Performance: Extremely High

FINAL FANTASY XIV: Endwalker Benchmark
Tested on: 7/13/2021 14:33:17
Score: 13594
Average Frame Rate: 94.76842
Minimum Frame Rate: 53

[cheolsu]

My performance has actually gone down and I'm not sure why its doing that for the benchmark.

Don't go by the ratings "Extremely High" and "Very High". Yoshi-p said during the recent live letter that they upped the score requirement for Extremely High, but that doesn't have any bearing on your performance (i.e., they won't call it Extremely High unless it meets a higher bar). If you cap your frames at 60, then your performance has actually gone up, because your minimum framerate in Endwalker is higher and you'll never see the difference in Average Frame rate.

and... even if you don't cap your frames, i doubt you'd notice the difference between 98 and 101. i still say you've got better performance in endwalker

[Inosaska]

Don't go by the ratings "Extremely High" and "Very High". Yoshi-p said during the recent live letter that they upped the score requirement for Extremely High, but that doesn't have any bearing on your performance (i.e., they won't call it Extremely High unless it meets a higher bar). If you cap your frames at 60, then your performance has actually gone up, because your minimum framerate in Endwalker is higher and you'll never see the difference in Average Frame rate.

and... even if you don't cap your frames, i doubt you'd notice the difference between 98 and 101. i still say you've got better performance in endwalker

I just turned off 1 setting that is Screen Space Ambient Occlusion and my FPS increased by 14! The game also looks way better with it off and less dark. That setting is terrible and I wish I had turned it off sooner.

[Garet]

Full screen was the opposite for me. 11K Borderless, 13K fullscreen

Yes. I do not get it. I was expecting full screen to really give better scores as well. Wonder why it is opposite for me.

BORDERLESS WINDOW MODE:
FINAL FANTASY XIV: Endwalker Benchmark
Tested on: 7/14/2021 3:08:24
Score: 11091
Average Frame Rate: 79.1565
Minimum Frame Rate: 42
Performance: Very High
-Easily capable of running the game. Should perform exceptionally well, even at higher resolutions.
Loading Times by Scene
Scene #1 3.372 sec
Scene #2 6.377 sec
Scene #3 9.889 sec
Scene #4 4.291 sec
Scene #5 2.408 sec
Total Loading Time 26.337 sec

Screen Size: 1920x1080
Screen Mode: Borderless Windowed
DirectX Version: 11
Graphics Presets: High (Desktop)

FULLSCREEN:
FINAL FANTASY XIV: Endwalker Benchmark
Tested on: 7/14/2021 3:16:53
Score: 8519
Average Frame Rate: 56.47453
Minimum Frame Rate: 42
Performance: High
-Easily capable of running the game. Should perform well, even at higher resolutions.
Loading Times by Scene
Scene #1 4.339 sec
Scene #2 6.072 sec
Scene #3 9.415 sec
Scene #4 4.232 sec
Scene #5 2.285 sec
Total Loading Time 26.343 sec

Screen Size: 1920x1080
Screen Mode: Full Screen
DirectX Version: 11
Graphics Presets: High (Desktop)

Edit: It seems my Full screen mode is being hampered by my Vsync setting. I turned it off and it produced a higher score now

FULLSCREEN WITH V-SYNC OFF
FINAL FANTASY XIV: Endwalker Benchmark
Tested on: 7/14/2021 3:35:35
Score: 11393
Average Frame Rate: 81.81217
Minimum Frame Rate: 42
Performance: Very High
-Easily capable of running the game. Should perform exceptionally well, even at higher resolutions.
Loading Times by Scene
Scene #1 3.419 sec
Scene #2 6.24 sec
Scene #3 9.805 sec
Scene #4 4.557 sec
Scene #5 2.291 sec
Total Loading Time 26.312 sec

[cheolsu]

I just turned off 1 setting that is Screen Space Ambient Occlusion and my FPS increased by 14! The game also looks way better with it off and less dark. That setting is terrible and I wish I had turned it off sooner.

glad to hear that worked! and, i know what you mean. it's terribly expensive and just makes things darker. but when i need to reset my graphics i just choose Maximum from the presets and forget that it's on. with it off, the game is brighter and looks more anime ^^

[raelgun]

To give some heads up, sometimes the graphics driver may only kick in Vsync or frame limiter in full screen mode as games are suppose to run in true fullscreen mode as standard, sorry to the above but true fullscreen is the default, borderless window is there to make tabbing out easier but FF14 is the only game that has issues with tabbing out in fullscreen mode.

Also you need to be careful when going borderless window mode to check the resolution its set at, it might be rendering a lower res sometimes.

[Limecat]

It ran marginally better for me, but more importantly: That was by far the coolest of the benchmarks so far.