FFXIV's weird prostitution hangup

[Theodric]

I still have my doubts that this is actually a thing . I see handwringing about it but have yet to experience this or hear first hand accounts of it.

It's difficult to provide evidence of it given the naming and shaming rules in place, though there's definitely players who weaponise the terms of service in an effort to get people who voice dissenting opinions to their own banned both in-game and outside of it. Indeed, there's even an infamous Twitter page that periodically quotes people from this very forum - often out of context - and all but outright encourages people to get outraged by the quotes, seek out the thread in question where it's from and sift through the poster's history to find some comment or other to cry foul over.

As for me? I've had death threats sent my way over lore discussions. I'm glad you haven't experienced the worst that the FFXIV community has to offer, though there are a lot of very shady players to be found unfortunately.

But, yeah, take it with a pinch of salt. Maybe others can weigh in with their experiences.

[Krotoan]

It's difficult to provide evidence of it given the naming and shaming rules in place, though there's definitely players who weaponise the terms of service in an effort to get people who voice dissenting opinions to their own banned both in-game and outside of it. Indeed, there's even an infamous Twitter page that periodically quotes people from this very forum - often out of context - and all but outright encourages people to get outraged by the quotes, seek out the thread in question where it's from and sift through the poster's history to find some comment or other to cry foul over.

As for me? I've had death threats sent my way over lore discussions. I'm glad you haven't experienced the worst that the FFXIV community has to offer, though there are a lot of very shady players to be found unfortunately.

But, yeah, take it with a pinch of salt. Maybe others can weigh in with their experiences.

Let me clarify.

I have my doubts that swearing in "public" once or twice and then banning is happening.

Almost every time I've seen these claims made, the person who says they never did anything else is combative, unrepentant for the coarse language and tries to defend its use in all cases, and has huge holes in the story or obvious fabrications of facts (GMs getting into detail about the punishment being the common one).

As to the rest, I am well aware of what people online are capable of and doubt none of what you say and have experienced some of it myself. I have said time and time again the FFXIV community is no utopia and in general only differs from other communities in the games structure, rules, and enforcement.


So I hope that clears up what I find iffy.


TL; DR: Online people are sometimes crappy, yes. SE doesn't visibly persecute random coarse language though.

[kaynide]

I mean to be fair, legit real world bars can be just as creepy, though it is usual,y dirty old men and not someone trying to sell you (though that does happen here in Japan…)

And just like real world bars, most girls just want to go out for a drink and to socialize, or people watch.


My suggestion, put that in your search information. Like a clear statement “I want to RP/people watch; eRP no thanks!”

[Asari5]

you were asked something... so you can decline. not like they forced you. dont see a problem with that. you can stay IC, decline and leave, or decline and hang around... and just dont go there anymore the next time.
i dont do RP, but seems like the most obvious way to handle these things.

[Halivel]

The interesting thing here is... on Hydaelyn, lore-wise, prostitution is just a job. Like, a legal job, without any kind of stigma behind it. And considering that we're talking about RP, if that were me, I would have just politely refused, without thinking too deep into it and without applying irl biases into it, because on Hydaelyn is something fairly normal.
More about the topic may be read here: https://mirkemenagerie.tumblr.com/po...work-in-eorzea

That said, I think generally people usually check search info before they write in DM (most of the time, at least), so you might write that you arent interesten in ERP there. It should make the situation better at least to a some degree, though probably won't remove unwanted attention entirely. Weird that the bar in question didn't have this info in their ad though, it's pretty vital for getting right visitors.

[Gyson]

The interesting thing here is... on Hydaelyn, lore-wise, prostitution is just a job. Like, a legal job, without any kind of stigma behind it.

I love how rpers flip flop when trying to defend the game or community issues.

When someone points out problems with underperforming players who actively refuse to put more effort even though they're aware of it, rpers say "it's just a video game I don't want to feel like it's a job I play to escape reality"

When someone complains about the amount of explicit erp and erp advertising the same rpers say "Well its just like in real life, such venues are real and you're often exposed to these things"

It's only OK for the game to feel like real life when it's convenient for your argument.

None of this is relevant. It doesn't matter what happens "in real life" or "lore-wise". In the end, on this subject, the only thing that matters is what is and isn't allowed by the Terms of Service we all agree to when using the FFXIV software.

[Roeshel]

None of this is relevant. It doesn't matter what happens "in real life" or "lore-wise". In the end, on this subject, the only thing that matters is what is and isn't allowed by the Terms of Service we all agree to when using the FFXIV software.

According to that statement, people shouldn't be using ACT but raiders do right? So if SE can make an exception for some type of players then it is only just to make an exception for another type of players too.

Also, what's the big deal of just declining? Say you are not into that stuff and period. I don't really know what the situation with RP is at large because right now most of my time in FFXIV is spent alt-tapped, waiting for pf groups to fill up but before I was raiding, I also had different search info and I was Miqo'te so people did approach me in towns, even in Zadnor, and we then move the discussion to discord and I was more than fine with it. In my opinion, the only thing that matters the most is whether you are having fun or not and usually ToS is made to put restrictions on the very few oddballs of society whose fun comes at the detriment of others.

Regarding the OP, I don't really get the meaning of "FFXIV sex trade". It's not like you can do it. The person just assumed you were like them I guess so they proposed whatever they proposed. You can't really blame them for that though, you were in their event after all. If you don't want to be hit up in the wrong way, don't be around the type of people who are wrong for you, it's that simple. Unlike you, there are ppl who want exactly that type of experience for which the event was made I guess.

[Rinhi]

If you don't want to be hit up in the wrong way, don't be around the type of people who are wrong for you, it's that simple. Unlike you, there are ppl who want exactly that type of experience for which the event was made I guess.

that's some yikes victim blaming

[AngelCheese77]

I should point out that not ALL of Crystal is like that.

Nor is everyone on Balmung.