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    MilkieTea's Avatar
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    C'erise Vanesse
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    Quote Originally Posted by geekgirl101 View Post
    So theoretically I could report him on suspicion of using third party tools in order to deliberately grief other players, that could classify as warrant for investigation.
    Not really. For usage of 3rd party apps they’d need definitive proof - him saying so ingame - and they’d need proof that he is using said tools to grief others (since they don’t seem to have any issue with the usage of 3rd party apps in streams where they and the player character are both clearly visible.)
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    I've had one chance where I could have reported someone. They said I was doing 12 DPS to Leviathan HM, which mostly was just so funny that we spent time trying to guess what happened to his parser. Something like that *could* have been reported, but unless they say something, you can't really do anything, and reporting without proof to "grief" players is more likely to get you in trouble than them.
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    Delmania Shadowstar
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    The official stance makes sense if you understand Square can't dictate the applications you install on your computer. They could in theory put a rootkit on that detects ACT, but those are always found out and disabled. (Think nProtect GameGuard and PSO2).

    ACT is a packet sniffer that will decode specific packets, analyze them, and display the result. I could run a tool like Wireshark and it has the same underlying effect. Plus if I were a more ambitious engineer, I could write a similar program. All the modding programs simply change the DAT files. At the end of the day, it's my computer and what I run on it is my choice.

    What Square is ultimately concerned about are third-party applications that modify the information being sent to the servers. Speed hacks, item dupes, etc. The thing is, it's far too expensive on their end to analyze all the various tools out there, so they issue the blanket statement of "No third party applications." Additionally, they care more about how the third-party application impacts the online experience. Obviously speed hacks, automation tools, and item dupes are just cheating, plain and simple. With ACT, as many have said, it's not about using it, it's about using it to harass other players. Even if you say you use ACT, I doubt Square will do much because they can't really prove it's anything other than a claim. Maybe a warning, maybe a temporary ban. At the end of the day, so long as you don't harass other players and don't cheat, it's not worth the effort to go after you.
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    Don't ask don't tell.
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    TaleraRistain's Avatar
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    Thalia Beckford
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    The deal with any 3rd party app is don't ask, don't tell. If it isn't mentioned in game as being used, they can't prove anyone is using it. So they are against the ToS but they're limited in actions that can be taken since they won't act on things outside the game.

    Now if this person is killing mobs consistently deliberately to refuse others the chance, then you could submit a report on that behavior and see if anything happens. Because they would be able to tell in game at least how the person was intentionally griefing.
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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    Now if this person is killing mobs consistently deliberately to refuse others the chance, then you could submit a report on that behavior and see if anything happens. Because they would be able to tell in game at least how the person was intentionally griefing.
    Unlikely for anything to happen. We had the same ~4 people ninja pulling S-ranks for the entirety of Stormblood, even the ones that someone else spent who knows how many hours on to spawn. Pretty safe to assume that they were using some kind of 3rd party software since they would sit in Limsa, or other zones that weren't connected to the spawn location, for hours until an S-rank was spawned. Then as soon as one spawned they'd show up within a minute, without it even being announced anywhere, immediately pull and start killing it.


    Nothing ever happened to them, despite actively gloating in chat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurdity View Post
    Unlikely for anything to happen. We had the same ~4 people ninja pulling S-ranks for the entirety of Stormblood, even the ones that someone else spent who knows how many hours on to spawn. Pretty safe to assume that they were using some kind of 3rd party software since they would sit in Limsa, or other zones that weren't connected to the spawn location, for hours until an S-rank was spawned. Then as soon as one spawned they'd show up within a minute, without it even being announced anywhere, immediately pull and start killing it.


    Nothing ever happened to them, despite actively gloating in chat.
    Actually, chances are they are using websites like https://ffxiv.ariyala.com/HuntTracker/ or https://ffxivhunt.com/

    Like with ffxivhunt one, you can create or join a group. Once you know when something spawned and was defeated, it can tell you the window for when it will pop again. Obviously these sites don't dig into the server data and is a crowdsourced bit of info, relying on users to witness and report info, but yeah....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonblanco View Post
    Actually, chances are they are using websites like https://ffxiv.ariyala.com/HuntTracker/ or https://ffxivhunt.com/

    Like with ffxivhunt one, you can create or join a group. Once you know when something spawned and was defeated, it can tell you the window for when it will pop again. Obviously these sites don't dig into the server data and is a crowdsourced bit of info, relying on users to witness and report info, but yeah....
    That is exactly why I'm pretty certain it was 3rd party software, because I was using those sites myself back in Stormblood. They rely on players actually reporting those kills on the site, with the correct time at which it was killed, and it needs to be reported by several players to be accepted as legitimate. On top of that these sites only tell you that an S-rank "could potentially" spawn, not that it definitely has been spawned a minute ago.


    Relying on manual reports by players makes these sites anything but accurate. They were useful for checking if you should even bother to try and look for a hunt mob, or if it was reported as dead 2 hours ago and you'd just be wasting your time. It could never tell you an accurate respawn time because these aren't static for S-ranks and it can also not tell you the exact location of one, so it becomes very suspicious if the same few people teleport into your zone and immediately bolt exactly towards the hunt mob's location when said location hasn't been announced yet.
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    Last edited by Absurdity; 07-12-2021 at 01:32 PM.

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    Meluwen Nobu
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    Surprised you not perma banned. My old account got perma banned (on forum)after 2 or 3 forum bans lol
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    Sanna Rosewood
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    Act and tools used to do Bard performance are don't ask don't tell and unless they're used to harass people SE tends to turn a blind eye. You would need solid proof for things dealing with hunts as the rules the community makes for its self isn't what SE goes by. Those who do hunts and operate the trains have had a hard time getting crappy people taken care of. As SE's stance on it is no one has to shout out, relink or even spawn a hunt marker. Nor do they have to wait for anyone else to arrive. So, even if you highly suspect someone of cheating where it concerns the Hunt the likelihood of something to come from reporting cheating most likely won't happen.
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