is Paladin a good enough tank?

[Onidemon]

I don't have my paladin yet.... just need to complete the quest to get it. But from what i've read in these forums, Warrior was doing better then Paladins at tanking. I got my GLD to 37 and i saw what the PLD abilties are and i'm not very impressed. I know they are tweaking it in 1.22b but do you think that PLD is a good enough tank as it is or would you change it?


I find their DPS to be too low and they lack much AOE spells imo. In another MMO i played which i won't name, Paladins are High DEF, High HP, low DPS against single target but have high DPS against multiple targets due to a good AOE spells that output a lot of damage. They got AOE/DOT spells that generate a lot of enemity etc...

This is really just my opinion but paladins could use some of the above.

Maybe some of you think they are fine the way they are, but if you could improve it how would you do it?

[lshumaker]

PLDs are not supposed to DPS in this game. They are supposed to be the defensive tank, while WAR is supposed to be the offensive tank. The problem is that there is no benefit to using a defensive tank yet.

[Firon]

PLDs are not supposed to DPS in this game. They are supposed to be the defensive tank, while WAR is supposed to be the offensive tank. The problem is that there is no benefit to using a defensive tank yet.

Ppl keep saying pld is not a dps tank that's true, but come on anyone in thier right mind knows that doing a full combo only giving you a total of 550 dmg is just retarded no class dmg should be that low in this game. That's why the enmity combo from pld does jack shit cause low dmg does not make it even give more hate than provoke =/.

[Onidemon]

PLDs are not supposed to DPS in this game. They are supposed to be the defensive tank, while WAR is supposed to be the offensive tank. The problem is that there is no benefit to using a defensive tank yet.

But doesn't enemity depend on DPS? I was under the impression that it was.. i could be wrong. But if that is the case then they need to up to DPS for PLD. That's is why i'm thinking they should make PLD more of AOE specialist type of tank due tot he fact that hey can use spells and Warrior more of a straight up DPS tank, with high DPS regular attack and 1 on 1 stuff.

[Onidemon]

Ppl keep saying pld is not a dps tank that's true, but come on anyone in thier right mind knows that doing a full combo only giving you a total of 550 dmg is just retarded no class dmg should be that low in this game. That's why the enmity combo from pld does jack shit cause low dmg does not make it even give more hate than provoke =/.

I understand S-E's vision of PLD having just very high def but LOW dps. But the problem is that DPS does influence enemity and with their lack of DPS it does hurt them as a tank. They haven't though of enough ways to compensate for their lower the average DPS.

[Dreamer]

But doesn't enemity depend on DPS? I was under the impression that it was.. i could be wrong. But if that is the case then they need to up to DPS for PLD. That's is why i'm thinking they should make PLD more of AOE specialist type of tank due tot he fact that hey can use spells and Warrior more of a straight up DPS tank, with high DPS regular attack and 1 on 1 stuff.

In most games I've played tank abilities enmity generation is only partially linked to damage - you usually get the enmity from the damage plus an extra burst of enmity applied by the ability itself.

[Onidemon]

In most games I've played tank abilities enmity generation is only partially linked to damage - you usually get the enmity from the damage plus an extra burst of enmity applied by the ability itself.

That's good too. But when fighting a large crowd of mobs...... what do you do with the lack of good AOE spells? I think we should get at least one good AOE spell that also does DOT(damage over time) and generate high enemity. The overall DPS of the spell deoesn't need to be high at all but the spell itself could generate high enemity.

[lshumaker]

But doesn't enemity depend on DPS? I was under the impression that it was.. i could be wrong. But if that is the case then they need to up to DPS for PLD. That's is why i'm thinking they should make PLD more of AOE specialist type of tank due tot he fact that hey can use spells and Warrior more of a straight up DPS tank, with high DPS regular attack and 1 on 1 stuff.

War is more of the AoE specialist. The problem is that War is just to good at tanking everything right now.

Ppl keep saying pld is not a dps tank that's true, but come on anyone in thier right mind knows that doing a full combo only giving you a total of 550 dmg is just retarded no class dmg should be that low in this game. That's why the enmity combo from pld does jack shit cause low dmg does not make it even give more hate than provoke =/.

I do agree that they need a damage boost, especially after seeing that number. I was just under the impression that the OP wanted a PLD's damage to come close to War.

Personally, I would like to see PLDs able to block magic attacks with their shield as well as remove the hole frontal blocking only with their abilities.

[Arkine]

A quote I liked about this subject. By Rydin

Lastly... think about this

with MRD>WAR, most tanking abilities come from the job (WAR)
with GLA>PLD, most tanking abilities come from the class (GLA)

Since Job abilities are exclusive and most class abilities are not, that means WAR has access to it's tanking abilities as well as those from GLA... While PLD only has the GLA tanking abilities, since MRD hardly has any

Reach OUT

I think this explains the issue to why WAR is a more popular/effective tank than PLD.

[Onidemon]

War is more of the AoE specialist. The problem is that War is just to good at tanking everything right now.



I do agree that they need a damage boost, especially after seeing that number. I was just under the impression that the OP wanted a PLD's damage to come close to War.

Personally, I would like to see PLDs able to block magic attacks with their shield as well as remove the hole frontal blocking only with their abilities.

In my mind Paladin should always outperform WAR as a tank and WAR output better pure DPS then paladin. This is not the case currently and needs to be fixed. A lot of games got more then one class able to tank but they always have one class that tanks better then the others and for us that should be Paladin. If they can't make that happen then let them become backup healers which also makes sense for a Paladin. To me they don't stand out enough.