Please implement something to teach players how to play

[Jadedsins]

Now imagine that I am your tank and you are my healer. We are in Mt Gulg. Do you think we would clear the dungeon if you were only using cure 1 and I were using no cooldowns whilst I decided to do 'The pull of legends'. Would you truly be content not able to clear the duty you queued for via the 'convenient duty finder', timer to lockout of the story mode dungeon ticking down. Maybe this is the dps' first time here and they are stuck with a tank and a healer who are 'playing their way' which in turn is not letting them clear the duty. They can not solo the dungeon, they just wished to have fun, but they are just dying over and over again, due to others on their team being selfish.

Maybe I was just raised differently, but this is just evil. Truly, truly evil. You probably do not care because you are playing the board game with no rules, but the board game always had rules. You are taking the board game they wished to play with you, and throwing it into a volcano. It is a blatant disregarded to the well being of those around you and you should be ashamed.

I just almost spit of my coffee laughing. Evil? raised? What are you talking about? I don't agree with you so what? If you care so much about your time being slowed because you group up with players like myself who enjoys the game. Than don't do DF. It is that simple, I don't care how you play, and you should not care how I play. If it is a problem vote kick us our of the group, but let me tell you most of the time. People won't because they are way more understanding. It is DF, and players who want to rush through it, or get upset cause of how some of us play in it. They are a rare case.


You can call me selfish or whatever, and I can do the same to you. I sign no contract on how I like playing when I group with you. I saw nothing in the game rules that says I got to use skills I don't like. It is not a guild, or linkshell that has a set rules. You did not make the group that says I must play in whatever way. So the only power you have is to vote kick and hope other people are just as silly as you are for having the run go a little bit slower cause you happen to group with me.

Good luck with that. Evil...lmao some of you take gaming wayyy too serious. I almost woke my husband up laughing.

[DynnDiablos]

The way you are acting. Yes we would be very much happy if you did not Queue in DF. You take this game way too serious, and act like you have a moral backing behind you because we don't agree. Raised better? Come on now. That is funny, because a game is just a game. I don't need progression to enjoy the game. You take this game far too serious, your whole examples made me chuckle. Like, not everyone has the same values as you. DF content is design for people who can play how they want and still get through it. No need to be a drama queen about "skill" in a match making system.

I am not sure why this game is treated like some professional job to some people. It's a GAME.

[Shurrikhan]

While I largely agree with this there's more than a few that would rather ignore this and just jump right in and get hard-nosed at any tips and pointers. Which is why I've gotten callous about this subject. I've tried to help many times only to be "rewarded" with nasty attitude.

Oh, same, absolutely the same. I meant that more from just a design perspective. There's so much room to ready people for group content across the game's mandatory effectively solo play time that it'd be a huge disservice not to use it to reduce otherwise increasingly likely conflicts in group activities.

[Endariel]

I am not sure why this game is treated like some professional job to some people. It's a GAME.

but we did never emphasize that it's a job? Yet again an unnecessary hyperbole.
But what i'm arguing about.
It's impossible to change the mindset of a casual ultimate

[Rinhi]

I am not sure why this game is treated like some professional job to some people. It's a GAME.

it's a game, exactly!
so people should actually play it instead of refusing to with some asinine excuse for why they're not doing it

[Jadedsins]

it's a game, exactly!
so people should actually play it instead of refusing to with some asinine excuse for why they're not doing it

People are playing the game, and getting through the content without meeting your standards.

but we did never emphasize that it's a job? Yet again an unnecessary hyperbole.
But what i'm arguing about.
It's impossible to change the mindset of a casual ultimate

Just how people are acting and examples people gave. It pretty much seems like a job the way people acting about it.

Also nothing wrong with being a casual. This is a casual game and the community embraces it.

[DynnDiablos]

it's a game, exactly!
so people should actually play it instead of refusing to with some asinine excuse for why they're not doing it

I know my job's rotations thanks and I do well and don't just sit there. I do PLAY...doesn't mean I like elitists trying to harp on every little thing people do wrong in DF. Don't like roulette? Stay the heck out of it or form a party with people you know. I play this game for the story/gathering/crafting. Roulettes and DF runs are simply for tomes and gil for me. I am not looking for someone to be parsing me and expecting the ultimate in perfection in a daily roulette in Satasha. Thankfully, YOU are not on my DC so I never have to worry about being plopped in a party with you.

[Shurrikhan]

I just almost spit of my coffee laughing. Evil? raised?

"I refuse to accede to the common interests of those around me (and whose time I necessarily affect), despite knowingly queuing for a group activity where said group's interests will likely differ from my own, and will report anyone who asks me to do accede to those interests (a.k.a., to not be a jerk)."

You did not make the group that says I must play in whatever way.

Yes, they did, actually. As did you. In joining the duty finder.

Having no predefined arbitrator by which to set the rules for you explicitly does not remove conventions or expectations. It simply centers them around what is typical.

If your interests differ from your party, well, you 4 are your own arbitrators, tacit though your communication will probably be. The more atypical someone's styles or interests, the more often that won't pan out in their favor, by whatever direction that may take. Moreover, if your interests are so atypical as to be in conflict with what is typically perceived as those of a typical player, you have no leg to stand on in arguing against a majority. And that is the situation you seem to be finding yourself in if you have to insist on your fundamental right to not give a damn about others or what the content expects from you (to play the board game solely by your own rules, as you put it, despite that being untenable by nature of it being a multi-person game).

[Naoki34]

Title. (and no, the smiths outdated tutorial doesn't count)

I'm getting sick of running dungeons, trials, etc. whatever the hell content, and people just don't have a clue.

The usual suspects are out:

- Healer who stands still, doesn't deal damage, cant even keep up with healing
- DPS who single targets mobs when you have like the entire dungeon on you
- Tanks who just sit there and pull 1 group at a time
- People at max level who have no damn idea how to play their class whatsoever (example: Fire 1 Mage at level 80.)

What the hell is going on?

I've been feeling like I'm some crazy elitist just because I have an expectation that you have like an iota of competence.

IDK, detract me. Thanks.

Also, Im not going to bother trying to teach people things in game. Been there, done that. You get screamed at.

TO clarify: I'm mainly concerned about level 70-80 characters having these issues.

Do you know the mentor system?
Well, it doesn't work, because most of the mentors are also noobs who want the rare mount of random dungeons for a mentor.

It must be said that for some players, thinking that it's the game's fault goes before the fact that They are bad.
Proof of this is the number of topics of suggestion or to say that something does not work, threads of this kind are legion.
... must be reworked ...
Learn to do with what the game offers, master it instead of saying it's the game's fault, that would already be an advance.

What do you want? You can't teach people who don't want to learn to play.

[Jadedsins]

Here since people want to use "social elements" and morals as a way to act like they are in the right. I guess I will do the same.

We have older players who don't really understand or have good reflexes and is hard for them to grasp things.
We have disable people who again make it harder for them to react at times.
We have people who are just bad aka like me.


DF content is designed and caters to us. That is why it is simple, that is why harder content is made for players who want it. People want to talk about evil and selfish. How selfish can you be, going into content that is design around how we enjoy the game. Telling us we are not playing the game right! We are ruining your fun because it takes longer! Well, I hate to tell you this...but many of us don't want your help. We get through the content just fine without your feedback. And we also understand that you only giving said feedback for yourself. To get through dungeon faster.


Have you no shame? see how silly this is? Both sides got to understand, We can't meet in the middle. Your fun gets ruined because of me. My fun will get ruined because of you. Them are the breaks. That is the risk we take with DF.