Please implement something to teach players how to play

[MiaShino]

I don't hate the wow community? I just said that you give off that vibe. I'm use to people like them, as I was a raid leader for the longest time in that game.

If it is the occasionally feisty hotheaded vibe then yup yup that is definitely me. Almost sounds like Swtor actually. Welp small misunderstanding then, it sounded like you had some issues with WoW players in zee past and I have seen other FF14 players have some not nice things to say about the WoW community. I never got to experience it so I never understood, I did hear a lot about Chuck Norris jokes. A whooole lot of Chuck Norris jokes.

Wait shoooot so you were a raid leader. I heard it was an experience most interesting trying to corral forty other players together for Molten Core. Woah the stories I have heard about the guilds of old and the shouting over voip. Pffff I was actually told I sound like a raid leader when I get feisty perhaps that is why I rubbed you the wrong way. I do not think so.. you must be loud for that and I am most certainly not loud.

And, ya that is just how I am? I have mix views on everything. And yes I use to design engines and had to adjust from drawing to using cad. The problem was the company felt it had to update cad every new one that came out, and every Fing update would change the key commands up.

Bleh.. this reminds me of fricken Photoshop. Do not remind me of that nightmare. Soooo if I may be asking, what kinda engines?

Many apologies for derailing the thread but it was going nowhere really and this is far more interesting. All of the good bits have been said and said again I feel.

More on topic, I wonder how many others did what I have and play almost exclusively with close friends or family due to duty finder experiences. Also about those sprouts because I kinda feel like I focused on some of the worse experiences I had instead of the better ones so why the heck not. Many of the new players I have encountered when queuing (when I do queue) have been kicking some serious booty!

Unsure where they are all coming from but does offer new perspective when watching them learn during the duty. The old trial by fire approach still works even if only a little! Alrighty, that's enough rambling from this lala, I am waaaayyyy to sleepy for coherent thought.

[Wavaryen]

If it is the occasionally feisty hotheaded vibe then yup yup that is definitely me. Almost sounds like Swtor actually. Welp small misunderstanding then, it sounded like you had some issues with WoW players in zee past and I have seen other FF14 players have some not nice things to say about the WoW community. I never got to experience it so I never understood, I did hear a lot about Chuck Norris jokes. A whooole lot of Chuck Norris jokes.

Wait shoooot so you were a raid leader. I heard it was an experience most interesting trying to corral forty other players together for Molten Core. Woah the stories I have heard about the guilds of old and the shouting over voip. Pffff I was actually told I sound like a raid leader when I get feisty perhaps that is why I rubbed you the wrong way. I do not think so.. you must be loud for that and I am most certainly not loud.



Bleh.. this reminds me of fricken Photoshop. Do not remind me of that nightmare. Soooo if I may be asking, what kinda engines?

Many apologies for derailing the thread but it was going nowhere really and this is far more interesting. All of the good bits have been said and said again I feel.

More on topic, I wonder how many others did what I have and play almost exclusively with close friends or family due to duty finder experiences. Also about those sprouts because I kinda feel like I focused on some of the worse experiences I had instead of the better ones so why the heck not. Many of the new players I have encountered when queuing (when I do queue) have been kicking some serious booty!

Unsure where they are all coming from but does offer new perspective when watching them learn during the duty. The old trial by fire approach still works even if only a little! Alrighty, that's enough rambling from this lala, I am waaaayyyy to sleepy for coherent thought.

Mostly for Ford but companies was struggling trying to design engines for trucks that is full Electric, plus at the time many companies wanted nothing to do with the design because it was niche. It is very hard to get companies to change from old designs and ways to do it...but they are slowly coming around.

and to go back on topic also. I'm not sure what can be done to make duty finder better for you all with how the devs have been design the game for these people. Even if they was to teach players. I don't think that it would matter too much.

[SomeRandomHuman]

I argued enough. The take-away from this thread: Just dismiss these people from any and all duties you get paired with them in on sight. This thread if proof enough if a GM decides to question you.

[Kyu-Momo]

Some more in depth in-game tutorials would be nice to see.

But, if nothing else, I'd at least love it if they added a mandatory requirement for jobstone being equipped in order to queue. Adding a little notice for the quest availability it during msq would also help. The job quest opens up a little after the sylph quests in MSQ, right? Maybe they could add a quick "Hey, your job quest is ready! You can do it for a huge stat boost and lots of new abilities *hint hint*!"

[Wavaryen]

I argued enough. The take-away from this thread: Just dismiss these people from any and all duties you get paired with them in on sight. This thread if proof enough if a GM decides to question you.

Noone is going to report for just getting kicked and if you do. Gms not going to do anything. The group has a right to do that. Also the way some of you act. You would be doing her a service imo.

[Larirawiel]

Hi, the problem is, especially when you play a healer class there is a huge diference between playing solo, playing 4-man dungeons and playing more difficult raids. When i play solo, my WHM is a two-button-class. But when i play in raids then i need way more buttons and cooldowns. The solo gameplay and the things you learn during playing solo are basically useless in more difficult group content.


And then there are some ... habits from other MMOs.


Cheers

[Genz]

TO clarify: I'm mainly concerned about level 70-80 characters having these issues.

I guess we could make some use of all the things that happen before this "level 70"

FFXIV is an horribly designed game, especially on the progression curve. Tutorials are nice to have, but if the game needs to keep adding them, then there is a problem. The whole leveling process is a train-wreck, it wasn't very good at release because of the asinine quests/fate and shallow game system, but through the years it only got worse since the only decent content - the dungeons/boss - have been nerfed multiple times. Now it's just a parody of Cookie clicker.

[DPZ2]

83 pages and it's devolved into yet another school yard fight, I see.

With the exception of the 10 year 'veteran' who appears to hate the game. That's always amusing.

[SomeRandomHuman]

83 pages and it's devolved into yet another school yard fight, I see.

With the exception of the 10 year 'veteran' who appears to hate the game. That's always amusing.

The fact that these self-proclaimed "old folks players" are serious about this subject and getting genuine reactions out of more than a few people probably made Titanman question his purpose on these forums. He's been outclassed hardcore by these guys.

That alone makes this thread stupidly hilarious.

[Faafetai]

Hi, the problem is, especially when you play a healer class there is a huge diference between playing solo, playing 4-man dungeons and playing more difficult raids. When i play solo, my WHM is a two-button-class. But when i play in raids then i need way more buttons and cooldowns. The solo gameplay and the things you learn during playing solo are basically useless in more difficult group content.


And then there are some ... habits from other MMOs.


Cheers

I think I may have picked up bad habits from even ff itself >.< This is super true, if you enter a fate or something depending on which one it is you are never needed to use other heals on yourself unless the theoretical pai-pai are in the upwards direction. The Dodo fate that spawns a million dodo's while you have to destroy their nests would be one where this occurs, but even than you only have 3 or 4 ish things you could use at that level.

Later levels things still don't really do much. I figured what better way to learn how to heal a raid than msq roulette, but most of the time no one is not taking damage save for getting thrown around by Nero or the disco laser light show at the end with drop ships that someone may oopsie under. Alliance raids can be pretty insane too but if everyone is playing well at least in the ones I have done I kind of wonder why I am there. I wish to practice, until suddenly the difficulty ramps up and everyone is dying!

The difficulty of things is honestly extremely random, and than I find myself without random skills when I had been pushing the button like an idiot thinking I had lustrate in stone vigil. It is similar to other classes that have no way of actually practicing besides just going in and trying out the content.