Please implement something to teach players how to play

[Jadedsins]

Jadedsins is better than Titanmen at making people angry, but she's way less funny. I give her a B-.
You're welcome.

Thank you. As I was not trying to be funny. If people can't handle someone that does not agree with them. Well get angry for all I care lol.

[Jadedsins]

In short? yes.

You’re subjecting others to your playstyle and wasting their time. Get a group together to play like that, if you want to play like that, but in PUGs? Either stay out of them or stop playing selfishly.

That same logic can said about the other person. You are subjecting me to have less fun to save yourself a few extra mins of time. No thanks.


Like it works both ways. The only reason why I have the right I feel in this is one. The group being made has no standards as the game itself made the group for us. And the content can easily be done with a full group of players just like me.

[Seera1024]

That same logic can said about the other person. You are subjecting me to have less fun to save yourself a few extra mins of time. No thanks.


Like it works both ways. The only reason why I have the right I feel in this is one. The group being made has no standards as the game itself made the group for us. And the content can easily be done with a full group of players just like me.

So everyone else has to compromise their preferred play style just so you can always play yours?

That's selfish.

You should compromise your preferred play style some of the time.

That's why I suggested you use more of your skills (read: not all, but more) in dungeons where your play style preference has way more of an impact.

No one would have a problem if you did that in the alliance raids as there's a bunch of other players in the raid that can pick up the slack unless you're tanking. You could likely get away with it not being a huge problem in normal trials.

But dungeons?! That's where your preferred play style really impacts other players. By not stopping and thinking about how your play style affects others in such content, that is being selfish.

You don't care how much more time that your play style adds to the dungeon run and how that could impact someone's ability to get everything they had planned to do that day done.

I want you to run a level 70 or higher dungeon with your preferred play style a few times. The same one. Record time it takes. Then do the same dungeon again a few more times but use all of your skills. Time it. You don't have to report back your findings, but keep that time increase in mind every time you go into a dungeon with the mindset to only use 2-3 of your skills because the others don't look cool. Maybe seeing that time increase will tell you why we call it selfish to do that every time with every dungeon you go into and not care about how it impacts others.

Edit to add: If I had a character on Crystal data center, I'd volunteer to help out with the above testing to remove another variable that would impact time. But my characters are on Aether data center.

[Jadedsins]

So everyone else has to compromise their preferred play style just so you can always play yours?

That's selfish.

You should compromise your preferred play style some of the time.

That's why I suggested you use more of your skills (read: not all, but more) in dungeons where your play style preference has way more of an impact.

No one would have a problem if you did that in the alliance raids as there's a bunch of other players in the raid that can pick up the slack unless you're tanking. You could likely get away with it not being a huge problem in normal trials.

But dungeons?! That's where your preferred play style really impacts other players. By not stopping and thinking about how your play style affects others in such content, that is being selfish.

You don't care how much more time that your play style adds to the dungeon run and how that could impact someone's ability to get everything they had planned to do that day done.

I want you to run a level 70 or higher dungeon with your preferred play style a few times. The same one. Record time it takes. Then do the same dungeon again a few more times but use all of your skills. Time it. You don't have to report back your findings, but keep that time increase in mind every time you go into a dungeon with the mindset to only use 2-3 of your skills because the others don't look cool. Maybe seeing that time increase will tell you why we call it selfish to do that every time with every dungeon you go into and not care about how it impacts others.

Again the selfish talk is silly. It can go both ways on this very topic. You pick to join a pug group. What right does anyone have to tell anyone how to play in said group. Lucky for you, you got tools to kick someone if others agree with you.


and really I don't care? You are right. I don't care how you play in a pug settings. If it gets done you can just heal as a healer and not dps for all I care. If that is more fun for you.

I'm not selfish enough to want players to not have fun, just to save some time. If the content gets done. More power to you. Have fun. If you don't have fun cause of players like me. You should not be doing a pug group.

[Seera1024]

Again the selfish talk is silly. It can go both ways on this very topic. You pick to join a pug group. What right does anyone have to tell anyone how to play in said group. Lucky for you, you got tools to kick someone if others agree with you.


and really I don't care? You are right. I don't care how you play in a pug settings. If it gets done you can just heal as a healer and not dps for all I care. If that is more fun for you.

I'm not selfish enough to want players to not have fun, just to save some time. If the content gets done. More power to you. Have fun. If you don't have fun cause of players like me. You should not be doing a pug group.

The selfish talk is not silly.

The standard for PUG group is to be a team player.

Team players are not selfish.

Your play style reduces the fun for everyone else you play with. That's what you don't seem to get.

Some people will put up with it because finding another player is less fun, but it's still not fun to take an additional 15-30 minutes to get through a dungeon because someone in the party is only using 2-3 of their skills because those are the only ones that look cool.

Especially if they are a DPS that already spent 15-30 minutes in a queue to get into the dungeon. Now they have to take another queue length to get through the dungeon instead of getting in and out and queuing for the next. By the time they finish the dungeon with you, they could be cleared and into the next PUG group if they had been paired with anyone else but you.

That's selfish.

Once data center travelling is a thing, if that means PUG groups get affected, I'm vote kicking you the moment I see you in the dungeon. Because I view you not willing to compromise on your play style ever as not meeting the standard for a PUG group. You aren't willing to be a team player. So I would have no problem kicking you because I know you will refuse to be a team player.

[Jadedsins]

The selfish talk is not silly.

The standard for PUG group is to be a team player.

Team players are not selfish.

Your play style reduces the fun for everyone else you play with. That's what you don't seem to get.

Some people will put up with it because finding another player is less fun, but it's still not fun to take an additional 15-30 minutes to get through a dungeon because someone in the party is only using 2-3 of their skills because those are the only ones that look cool.

Especially if they are a DPS that already spent 15-30 minutes in a queue to get into the dungeon. Now they have to take another queue length to get through the dungeon instead of getting in and out and queuing for the next. By the time they finish the dungeon with you, they could be cleared and into the next PUG group if they had been paired with anyone else but you.

That's selfish.

Once data center travelling is a thing, if that means PUG groups get affected, I'm vote kicking you the moment I see you in the dungeon. Because I view you not willing to compromise on your play style ever as not meeting the standard for a PUG group. You aren't willing to be a team player. So I would have no problem kicking you because I know you will refuse to be a team player.

Why are you doing a pug group if you fun is ruined by players who play like me?

Mhm, and let’s say it doesn’t get done because it goes on too long?

You still can’t call me out on it, it’s my playstyle to let the dungeon timer run out! I just wanna see the pretty colors on cure 1! Respect my playstyle! Otherwise youre infringing upon my in game right to play however I want, regardless of other people’s time and energy. I don’t care about you, I care about MY fun. *I* want the timer to run out, *I* play the game like that. *I* only play for myself, *I* only want to have fun for myself, without a care for others. You should respect that right, since you’re all about respecting your own playstyle. Other people being selfish shouldn’t matter to you, right?

I'm ok with that? Like even if I don't progress, even if it takes the whole timer. I will still have fun, and hope you did also. like I said, I go into pugs with the right mindset.

[Seera1024]

Why are you doing a pug group if you fun is ruined by players who play like me?





I'm ok with that? Like even if I don't progress, even if it takes the whole timer. I will still have fun, and hope you did also. like I said, I go into pugs with the right mindset.

Because I think you overestimate how many are like you.

I think you are like a 0.001% of the playerbase, if even that high.

Because you are the first person that I know of that is admittedly not a team player when entering group content.

That most people will try to do the content to the best of their ability - which means using all or most of your available skills, not just the ones that look cool. So no, I do not think you play to the best of your ability. And that's sad.

Because I expect that players who enter PUG content will do the minimum: be a team player. That they will use most or all of the skills available in order to complete the content.

Why do you enter PUG groups when you admit that you don't do the minimum? Remember the minimum for PUG content is being a team player. Team players aren't selfish. Not using all of your skills and forcing everyone else to take longer to get through content is selfish.

[Nethereal]

Again the selfish talk is silly.

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

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(of a person, action, or motive) lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.
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[MiaShino]

Jadedsins is better than Titanmen at making people angry, but she's way less funny. I give her a B-.
You're welcome.

What is a Titanmen or do I even wish to know?

With those types of people, they will always say it is okay, until it is done to them. I would bet this cart full of fat cats on it.

I was gonna say something about ignoring the troglodyte clones buuuuut it already said something derpy before I could type this post. I mean.. just look at it. We have gone from possible troll to "Tell me about the rabbits" levels of sad. Two fat Americans walk into a bar I mean, attempt to walk into a bar.

I hopes this Titanmen construct was more of the interesting type. At the least I can anticipate returning here for my daily endorphins as a streamer once said.

Are there any forum moderators here? Also when does the hootananny start? I think I may have missed it. Darn it I always miss it.

[Wavaryen]

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Dang. You pulled out the Darlin card. My wife did a pretty good job getting on your nerves huh? I understand how it is. No worries.

Anyway, I already gave you the answer. Let Trusts be duoed and let the community teach people using it. You can't add content design around "teaching" because classes always change. And making the content harder. You would just have people life my wife that would get me to do it for her. Or people just won't do it.



That is the only thing the company can do to keep everyone happy. (well besides the people who wants Duty Finder to have better quality of players.)

What is a Titanmen or do I even wish to know?



I was gonna say something about ignoring the troglodyte clones buuuuut it already said something derpy before I could type this post. I mean.. just look at it. We have gone from possible troll to "Tell me about the rabbits" levels of sad. Two fat Americans walk into a bar I mean, attempt to walk into a bar.

I hopes this Titanmen construct was more of the interesting type. At the least I can anticipate returning here for my daily endorphins as a streamer once said.

Are there any forum moderators here? Also when does the hootananny start? I think I may have missed it. Darn it I always miss it.

Since you are kinda new to the community (by join date) my advice to you is to get use to players like my wife in a pug settings. Also, yes the forum has mods, but no need for them. Noone is breaking the rules, they are pretty understanding that just because we disagree does not mean we are trolling. Unlike you who admitted that you tried to get a rise out of my wife.