Please implement something to teach players how to play

[Bellsong]

This thread is a prime example of why difference in playstyle will always and forever be a valid vote kick reason.

[OranKells]

Its so hard to parse when the bad faith trolling ends and the actual toxic bad playing flower children begins. Not sure I'm engaging with a real person or just a moltres/titan/mpk character. The more time I spend on the forums I'm pretty sure its just the same 3 people with strawmen accounts talking at each other, sometimes to themselves.

Maybe Dalamud needs to crash on us again.

[Jadedsins]

This thread is a prime example of why difference in playstyle will always and forever be a valid vote kick reason.

I mean anything can be valid if you get other people to agree.

Its so hard to parse when the bad faith trolling ends and the actual toxic bad playing flower children begins. Not sure I'm engaging with a real person or just a moltres/titan/mpk character. The more time I spend on the forums I'm pretty sure its just the same 3 people with strawmen accounts talking at each other, sometimes to themselves.

Maybe Dalamud needs to crash on us again.

Just because I don't agree with you, does not mean I am trolling, or I am MPK or whatever. That is a silly take, but if it helps you deflect people who don't agree with you. More power to you.

[ForteNightshade]

Ah ok. So it is selfish to play how I want. In content that is balance and design for playing like that.


Good to know! Well I will gladly be selfish because the game supports it, and the developers are ok with it.

Yes? In what universe wouldn't it be selfish to deliberately ignore beneficial things simply because you dislike them? An equivalent would be you working on a group project and deciding not to do 25% of the assignment because you just didn't like that part.

The game doesn't "support" ignoring your toolkit nor do the developers. It's simply the result of casual content scaled on the assumption inexperienced won't yet grasp everything. Blatantly stated, the assume players will eventually get more comfortable and start using their full kit. They aren't expecting players to purposefully ignore it because they dislike the animations are pink instead of red.

The developers understand that tons of players like me. So my advice? Get use to it when it comes to doing DF.

Fortunately, I don't have to "deal with it" as I have a handy Vote Dismiss option I will readily use coming across any player deliberately leeching like this. Even more fortunate for both us is we'll never come across each other since we're on different DCs. Hallelujah

[Jadedsins]

Yes? In what universe wouldn't it be selfish to deliberately ignore beneficial things simply because you dislike them? An equivalent would be you working in a group project and deciding not to do 25% of the assignment because you just didn't like that part.

The game doesn't "support" ignoring your toolkit nor do the developers. It's simply the result of casual content scaled on the assumption inexperienced won't yet grasp everything. Blatantly stated, the assume players will eventually get more comfortable and start using their full kit. They aren't expecting players to purposefully ignore it because they dislike the animations are pink instead of red.

In a world where the content gets done even if said player does it. When the game is balanced around not needing it?


It is like saying, Hey this content is relaxing and you can enjoy it how you want with others. And we give out rewards for doing so.



If it is such a problem, ask for better rewards. I mean I can turn it around and say, it is selfish for players to want to ruin my fun because it will save you a few mins in a run. If the content gets done, that is all that matters at the end. If you don't like that, well I wish you luck in getting the other members to agree and vote kick. I've only been kicked out one time, and that was because I had to afk and did not expect to be gone that long.


People who think this is an issue, like my husband said. Df is a tool convenience and it should have some draw backs. That is the quality of group getting made.

[Novae]

Jadedsins is better than Titanmen at making people angry, but she's way less funny. I give her a B-.
You're welcome.

[MilkieTea]

Ah ok. So it is selfish to play how I want. In content that is balance and design for playing like that.


Good to know! Well I will gladly be selfish because the game supports it, and the developers are ok with it.

In short? yes.

You’re subjecting others to your playstyle and wasting their time. Get a group together to play like that, if you want to play like that, but in PUGs? Either stay out of them or stop playing selfishly.

[Jadedsins]

Jadedsins is better than Titanmen at making people angry, but she's way less funny. I give her a B-.
You're welcome.

Thank you. As I was not trying to be funny. If people can't handle someone that does not agree with them. Well get angry for all I care lol.

[Jadedsins]

In short? yes.

You’re subjecting others to your playstyle and wasting their time. Get a group together to play like that, if you want to play like that, but in PUGs? Either stay out of them or stop playing selfishly.

That same logic can said about the other person. You are subjecting me to have less fun to save yourself a few extra mins of time. No thanks.


Like it works both ways. The only reason why I have the right I feel in this is one. The group being made has no standards as the game itself made the group for us. And the content can easily be done with a full group of players just like me.

[MilkieTea]

That same logic can said about the other person. You are subjecting me to have less fun to save yourself a few extra mins of time. No thanks.

Not really, but logic is seemingly lost on you.