Please implement something to teach players how to play

[Jadedsins]

God the longer this goes on The surer I am Endwalker needs a silent echo door boss. Tataru is gonna challenge you before you can start the expansion and if you can't handle her dps check now you will never survive her final boss form at the end of the game.

That asking for a bare minimum of effort from others in group content is seen a controversial take is disappointing.

Don't let anyone tell you the ffxiv community isn't toxic because I've never seen another game with a non trivial amount of players who think its a virtue to be a bad player and its elitism to just be slightly less bad. The sheer entitlement is amazing.

So what is effort to use skills I don't enjoy using? Well nah. I will do the best in the way I enjoy. In content that is design around it. Now if this cutting edge content. Or super end game stuff. Than you take would be valid. Lucky for us a small part of community cares about this non issue. So lucky for us the community is understanding when it comes to easy content. So it is not so toxic after all.

[ForteNightshade]

So what is effort to use skills I don't enjoy using? Well nah. I will do the best in the way I enjoy. In content that is design around it. Now if this cutting edge content. Or super end game stuff. Than you take would be valid. Lucky for us a small part of community cares about this non issue. So lucky for us the community is understanding when it comes to easy content. So it is not so toxic after all.

Which is an entirely selfish mentality, especially for a DPS whose literal only purpose is dealing damage. Nothing is designed with the intention of players not using it. Dungeons are made easier on the assumption inexperienced players may not understand all of their toolkit not purposefully ignore it because they dislike how a spell or action looks. Don't try to excuse your attitude as anything more than selfishness.

[Jadedsins]

Which is an entirely selfish mentality, especially for a DPS whose literal only purpose is dealing damage.

Ah ok. So it is selfish to play how I want. In content that is balance and design for playing like that.


Good to know! Well I will gladly be selfish because the game supports it, and the developers are ok with it.

[ForteNightshade]

Ah ok. So it is selfish to play how I want. In content that is balance and design for playing like that.


Good to know! Well I will gladly be selfish because the game supports it, and the developers are ok with it.

Yes? In what universe wouldn't it be selfish to deliberately ignore beneficial things simply because you dislike them? An equivalent would be you working on a group project and deciding not to do 25% of the assignment because you just didn't like that part.

The game doesn't "support" ignoring your toolkit nor do the developers. It's simply the result of casual content scaled on the assumption inexperienced won't yet grasp everything. Blatantly stated, the assume players will eventually get more comfortable and start using their full kit. They aren't expecting players to purposefully ignore it because they dislike the animations are pink instead of red.

The developers understand that tons of players like me. So my advice? Get use to it when it comes to doing DF.

Fortunately, I don't have to "deal with it" as I have a handy Vote Dismiss option I will readily use coming across any player deliberately leeching like this. Even more fortunate for both us is we'll never come across each other since we're on different DCs. Hallelujah

[Jadedsins]

Yes? In what universe wouldn't it be selfish to deliberately ignore beneficial things simply because you dislike them? An equivalent would be you working in a group project and deciding not to do 25% of the assignment because you just didn't like that part.

The game doesn't "support" ignoring your toolkit nor do the developers. It's simply the result of casual content scaled on the assumption inexperienced won't yet grasp everything. Blatantly stated, the assume players will eventually get more comfortable and start using their full kit. They aren't expecting players to purposefully ignore it because they dislike the animations are pink instead of red.

In a world where the content gets done even if said player does it. When the game is balanced around not needing it?


It is like saying, Hey this content is relaxing and you can enjoy it how you want with others. And we give out rewards for doing so.



If it is such a problem, ask for better rewards. I mean I can turn it around and say, it is selfish for players to want to ruin my fun because it will save you a few mins in a run. If the content gets done, that is all that matters at the end. If you don't like that, well I wish you luck in getting the other members to agree and vote kick. I've only been kicked out one time, and that was because I had to afk and did not expect to be gone that long.


People who think this is an issue, like my husband said. Df is a tool convenience and it should have some draw backs. That is the quality of group getting made.

[OranKells]

That is a big heap Chernobyl level toxicity. Playing as you describe is not how content, any content was designed. It was designed with the expectation that players would use most of the skills/spells available to them. Developers generally are not building things or giving players abilities you aren't meant to use.
Just because you can clear something in the allotted time does not mean it was intended to be, and just because something can be cleared by running around casting scathe, in an albeit slower pace, does not mean it was originally designed to be done that way.

Choosing to play that way with others is at best disrespectful to others' time. This is toxicity in one of its higher forms because it tries to flip the script on the typically toxic elite savage raiders demanding high dps, when in reality its just a bunch of normal people trying to play and get activities done in a reasonable amount of time.

[Jadedsins]

That is a big heap Chernobyl level toxicity. Playing as you describe is not how content, any content was designed. It was designed with the expectation that players would use most of the skills/spells available to them. Developers generally are not building things or giving players abilities you aren't meant to use.
Just because you can clear something in the allotted time does not mean it was intended to be, and just because something can be cleared by running around casting scathe, in an albeit slower pace, does not mean it was originally designed to be done that way.

Choosing to play that way with others is at best disrespectful to others' time. This is toxicity in one of its higher forms because it tries to flip the script on the typically toxic elite savage raiders demanding high dps, when in reality its just a bunch of normal people trying to play and get activities done in a reasonable amount of time.

As my husband said. I'm not in your linkshell, and the game made the party with no set rules. The content gets done even with me playing like this, and it gets done pretty quickly at that. Even if it did not get done quickly. I'm not in a group to make friends. We are just using each other for progression. If the game require me to play that way to beat the content. Than sure you can be upset and I would not belong in it.


The developers understand that tons of players like me. So my advice? Get use to it when it comes to doing DF. If that is being toxic. Well gladly will be toxic? I mean this weird "respect" thing when grouping must be a new player type thing, because like my husband said. UO, and heck even EQ. Did not have standards on pick up groups.


Now if I was in a LS, or doing high end content. Than your views would be on point. If you made a group and design the rules of said group. Again your standards would be acceptable. You did not make that group, and not one person myself or others have a right to tell anyone how to play what they enjoy in said group. That does not mean the group can't kick you though if you holding back.

[SannaR]

As my husband said. I'm not in your linkshell, and the game made the party with no set rules. The content gets done even with me playing like this, and it gets done pretty quickly at that. Even if it did not get done quickly. I'm not in a group to make friends. We are just using each other for progression. If the game require me to play that way to beat the content. Than sure you can be upset and I would not belong in it.


The developers understand that tons of players like me. So my advice? Get use to it when it comes to doing DF. If that is being toxic. Well gladly will be toxic? I mean this weird "respect" thing when grouping must be a new player type thing, because like my husband said. UO, and heck even EQ. Did not have standards on pick up groups.


Now if I was in a LS, or doing high end content. Than your views would be on point. If you made a group and design the rules of said group. Again your standards would be acceptable. You did not make that group, and not one person myself or others have a right to tell anyone how to play what they enjoy in said group. That does not mean the group can't kick you though if you holding back.

New player by what means? Cause even in FF XI would your play style would be seen as bad performance. As only end game content in XI was done by "guilds". Just about everything else was pug. Heck you sometimes even got shouts since there wasn't a PF or a DF for higher difficulty stuff. Again if you que by yourself you'd be the one who's being selfish as you'd be in the minority. Which is what those who've debated with you are assuming. Which I doubt you'd be doing as I'm sure you'd not do anything without your husband.

[Jadedsins]

New player by what means? Cause even in FF XI would your play style would be seen as bad performance. As only end game content in XI was done by "guilds". Just about everything else was pug. Heck you sometimes even got shouts since there wasn't a PF or a DF for higher difficulty stuff. Again if you que by yourself you'd be the one who's being selfish as you'd be in the minority. Which is what those who've debated with you are assuming. Which I doubt you'd be doing as I'm sure you'd not do anything without your husband.

Really? I don't think I'm in the minority because the game keeps getting design with players like myself in mind. Just look at the MSQ, and it even has a easy mode. (even though I never needed it.). The dungeon design has become easier and easier because developers understand that players like myself are pretty much the normal for the game.


How many Monks have you group with that does not use movement? Or Sams? better yet, how many healers that don't dps but we still get content done. It happens. and as long as they are having fun and we get the content done. That is all that matters.

I only see one side being selfish here.