Please implement something to teach players how to play

[Shurrikhan]

You go back like five years ago to find dirt on people.

Your hubby literally landed himself on a #gcbtw subreddit. Hell, I still remember seeing that post, even if I'd long since forgotten his name. Connecting name to memory made for quite a double-take, though, I'll admit.

I almost spit out my tea laughing at how far people will sink.

But yes, let's call remembering an infamous event (one which points a certain stark hypocrisy in the poster's words) a indicator of "how far people will sink" and not, for instance, the filth he was spewing.

It also got point out, the only reason why you all want this is to increase your odds of getting better DF groups.

Which, while hardly a problem or poor motive in itself, is false.

Again, I get your position here. I can't understand your insistence that your right to play how you like trumps your group's right to play how they like, of course, but I get the fear of being gated or otherwise excluded. That sucks, and if any such changes as are proposed here were to ultimately result in increased exclusion, they should be considered a failure. I would even argue that outside of certain extreme examples, that would be true even if the sum-total of enjoyment experienced by the game's players were greater than if that exclusion weren't added. Imo, these things shouldn't be quite just a matter of the greatest good or of utilitarian reasoning, as it's a little too easy to forget the losses faced by those the changes have trimmed and confuse the happy remaindcer with the whole.

...But if you actually looked through those suggestions in good faith, or bothered to argue parameters rather than (A) insisting on rights that come at the expense of everyone else's (and to greater total loss) or (B) negligently demonizing the motives behind those suggestions, I doubt the back-and-forths you've seen here would have gone quite as such.

The people saying, you don't want people to be elite. Ok, most of us don't care if some of you want tools that help people play better if they want to do it. Go for it!

I have yet to see anyone here say they want people to continue to lack the skills required to do all content well (i.e., to be "elite"), but I agree with the latter sentiment. I just wish the tools were made more convenient for the average player and weren't so often demonized (typically alongside anyone who'd find self-improvement entertaining in itself, sadly).

[Jadedsins]

You hubby literally landed himself on a #gcbtw subreddit. Hell, I still remember seeing that post, even if I'd long since forgotten his name. Connecting name to memory made for quite a double-take, though, I'll admit.


But yes, let's call remembering an infamous event (one which points a certain stark hypocrisy in the poster's words) a indicator of "how far people will sink" and not, for instance, the filth he was spewing.


Which, while hardly a problem or poor motive in itself, is false.

Ya it was a pretty bad event. We had the GMs tell us sorry, and ban some people from the forum/and the stalker. It also was proof about how much of a nut job this community has, and it is coming to light more and more with these streamers sadly. Also, my husband was really cute defending me like that. Q_Q he does not get work up like that anymore. Darn old age.



After people got dealt with, we saw the reddit and laughed. It was a good case to show how bad the community really gets. and glad some people still remember it. We should all learn from it. I just find it funny the biggest troll in this thread, dug it up.