Please implement something to teach players how to play

[SannaR]

"Please implement something to teach players how to play"

like a 200+ hour story line filled with mechanics that are a gatekeeper to end game?

stop expecting every new player to be at your level in one pull, i bet you were a new player once getting facepalms too.

I know I wasn't the one you aimed this at, but you wanna know what got said to me when I was fairly new? I and the dps I qued for Amdapoor Keep with once we both were at an ilv where we could make it past the first boss was to not only leave the dungeon, but to delete our characters, to uninstall the game, delete it and oh yeah kill ourselves. Thankfully I'm fairly sure I never saw the tank or other dps ever again. This was back during 2.0 release btw. Somehow I got better. Though I would say those who call me good or even great at healing are nutty and just haven't seen/had better.

I don't expect new players to be at whatever my level is in one pull. Especially in lower level stuff. I do however expect people to use their skills in Mt. Glug+ content. I shouldn't get anyone like the Drg I got in the burn recently that never once used disembowl or only gave themselves their eye once the whole run where I swear went out of their way to get hit by every boss mechanic that only after most of the dungeon was done the healer went hey could you please stop eating everything? I had chosen to stop trying cause why should I? I mean it's totally cool if I don't use skills on bard, right? Since no one for most of the run didn't seem to care about the DRG'S performance. Where they even aoed less than three mobs. I had to force my self not to use songs or my dots. At the end the healer went and said nice 3 man. After you know we wiped a few times on the end boss. Course that boss is fairly easy to wipe.

[Nethereal]

I know I wasn't the one you aimed this at, but you wanna know what got said to me when I was fairly new? I and the dps I qued for Amdapoor Keep with once we both were at an ilv where we could make it past the first boss was to not only leave the dungeon, but to delete our characters, to uninstall the game, delete it and oh yeah kill ourselves. Thankfully I'm fairly sure I never saw the tank or other dps ever again. This was back during 2.0 release btw. Somehow I got better. Though I would say those who call me good or even great at healing are nutty and just haven't seen/had better.

I don't expect new players to be at whatever my level is in one pull. Especially in lower level stuff. I do however expect people to use their skills in Mt. Glug+ content. I shouldn't get anyone like the Drg I got in the burn recently that never once used disembowl or only gave themselves their eye once the whole run where I swear went out of their way to get hit by every boss mechanic that only after most of the dungeon was done the healer went hey could you please stop eating everything? I had chosen to stop trying cause why should I? I mean it's totally cool if I don't use skills on bard, right? Since no one for most of the run didn't seem to care about the DRG'S performance. Where they even aoed less than three mobs. I had to force my self not to use songs or my dots. At the end the healer went and said nice 3 man. After you know we wiped a few times on the end boss. Course that boss is fairly easy to wipe.

Honestly if this thread ever happens again. We can use this thread as a foundation to just completely ignore certain people.

I think this is the biggest loss of faith in humanity I've seen thus far on the forums.

[Jadedsins]

Honestly if this thread ever happens again. We can use this thread as a foundation to just completely ignore certain people.

I think this is the biggest loss of faith in humanity I've seen thus far on the forums.

I agree, this thread did make me lose some faith, but at the same time. After the asmongold and Quinn drama. Plus my own years ago. I knew some of the community has some issues.



Had to do some catch up reading, and boy you all are funny. Some of you get so mad, or offended that someone does not agree with your take. You go back like five years ago to find dirt on people. LOL. I almost spit out my tea laughing at how far people will sink.


The people saying, you don't want people to be elite. Ok, most of us don't care if some of you want tools that help people play better if they want to do it. Go for it!

The only problem some of us have is when people talked about wanting to GATE people from content. It also got point out, the only reason why you all want this is to increase your odds of getting better DF groups.


And my husband came up with the best idea on how to teach players and it got ignored

[Shurrikhan]

You go back like five years ago to find dirt on people.

Your hubby literally landed himself on a #gcbtw subreddit. Hell, I still remember seeing that post, even if I'd long since forgotten his name. Connecting name to memory made for quite a double-take, though, I'll admit.

I almost spit out my tea laughing at how far people will sink.

But yes, let's call remembering an infamous event (one which points a certain stark hypocrisy in the poster's words) a indicator of "how far people will sink" and not, for instance, the filth he was spewing.

It also got point out, the only reason why you all want this is to increase your odds of getting better DF groups.

Which, while hardly a problem or poor motive in itself, is false.

Again, I get your position here. I can't understand your insistence that your right to play how you like trumps your group's right to play how they like, of course, but I get the fear of being gated or otherwise excluded. That sucks, and if any such changes as are proposed here were to ultimately result in increased exclusion, they should be considered a failure. I would even argue that outside of certain extreme examples, that would be true even if the sum-total of enjoyment experienced by the game's players were greater than if that exclusion weren't added. Imo, these things shouldn't be quite just a matter of the greatest good or of utilitarian reasoning, as it's a little too easy to forget the losses faced by those the changes have trimmed and confuse the happy remaindcer with the whole.

...But if you actually looked through those suggestions in good faith, or bothered to argue parameters rather than (A) insisting on rights that come at the expense of everyone else's (and to greater total loss) or (B) negligently demonizing the motives behind those suggestions, I doubt the back-and-forths you've seen here would have gone quite as such.

The people saying, you don't want people to be elite. Ok, most of us don't care if some of you want tools that help people play better if they want to do it. Go for it!

I have yet to see anyone here say they want people to continue to lack the skills required to do all content well (i.e., to be "elite"), but I agree with the latter sentiment. I just wish the tools were made more convenient for the average player and weren't so often demonized (typically alongside anyone who'd find self-improvement entertaining in itself, sadly).

[Jadedsins]

You hubby literally landed himself on a #gcbtw subreddit. Hell, I still remember seeing that post, even if I'd long since forgotten his name. Connecting name to memory made for quite a double-take, though, I'll admit.


But yes, let's call remembering an infamous event (one which points a certain stark hypocrisy in the poster's words) a indicator of "how far people will sink" and not, for instance, the filth he was spewing.


Which, while hardly a problem or poor motive in itself, is false.

Ya it was a pretty bad event. We had the GMs tell us sorry, and ban some people from the forum/and the stalker. It also was proof about how much of a nut job this community has, and it is coming to light more and more with these streamers sadly. Also, my husband was really cute defending me like that. Q_Q he does not get work up like that anymore. Darn old age.



After people got dealt with, we saw the reddit and laughed. It was a good case to show how bad the community really gets. and glad some people still remember it. We should all learn from it. I just find it funny the biggest troll in this thread, dug it up.

[SannaR]

Honestly if this thread ever happens again. We can use this thread as a foundation to just completely ignore certain people.

I think this is the biggest loss of faith in humanity I've seen thus far on the forums.

Hopefully when we're here again around when we've gotten the last skill balances for 6.0+ patches we'll remember this thread. Cause trust me this most likely will pop up again.