Please implement something to teach players how to play

[Puremallace]

I know I am going to ruin 70 pages of this entire thing but seriously guys I do not play FF14 to do anything seriously. If I wanted that stuff I would install like 12 addons with 5 weakauras and be back over in WoW min/max'n my character no lifing and ruining my marriage avoiding my kids.People play FF14 because it is laid back and fun.

Lets keep it that way because I am having fun.

[Seera1024]

No she does not? She does not care how you all play. Just like I don't. Also when I do pugs. I don't ask anything. We are just using each other to try and get content done. Not to be friends. Not to make sure others enjoy the game. She gets the content done playing how she wants.



If you got a group of players that played like her. The content would still get done. Maybe it would take much longer. But as long as it gets done that is all that matters to them. That is what DF is, and what it is design for.

She may not literally come out and say it, but the fact that she doesn't use all of her skills, means she's implying it.

The longer fights take, the more likely a player is to make a mistake that causes a wipe. Be it choosing the wrong healing skill to use by accident for a healer. For a tank mistiming a cooldown. To a DPS not getting out of an AoE on time because they thought they could get one more attack off.

By your wife not using all of her skills, means that the average fight time is longer. Meaning a higher chance of a wipe.

Not to mention some duties have DPS checks in them that if they are failed, cause a wipe.

Your wife not using all of her skills, means a higher chance of a wipe unless the other players are performing well enough.

And what if one of the other players in the group wanted to be able to just do a relaxed run and not worry about performing their rotation perfectly?

Depending on group composition and skill level, that player wanting a more relaxed run may have to do a more tight run in order to get the group through the content.

Which is why I suggested she compromise and use more of her skills in 4 man dungeons where her lower DPS matters has the greater impact. Because then she's not always asking others to play to her preferred style. Not saying she needs to use all of her skills. Just to use more of her skills.

[SomeRandomHuman]

And I must say so what? You got to work harder. (and i would argue that the content so easy I would not consider it work.)

I mean if your time matters so much. I question why are you playing a mmorpg. The way I see it. My wife makes you earn that reward. You all want the content to be tougher right? So have at it lol.

I question why someone plays a video game so badly that the pre-programmed AI plays better than them.

It's also not a time thing. It's the genuine refusal to play on a remotely acceptable level and how everyone else is collateral because they're that self-centered.

Why should I do the work of 2 people? Why should the other 3 people pick up the slack of the 1? Being disabled or new is one thing. Being this incompetent and refusing to fix that problem is a whole different story.

I'd rather replace her with a trust companion in DF since they'd do more damage then she ever would if you're to be believed.

[SomeRandomHuman]

I know I am going to ruin 70 pages of this entire thing but seriously guys I do not play FF14 to do anything seriously. If I wanted that stuff I would install like 12 addons with 5 weakauras and be back over in WoW min/max'n my character no lifing and ruining my marriage avoiding my kids.People play FF14 because it is laid back and fun.

Lets keep it that way because I am having fun.

This isn't about being serious. This is about someone that literally uses less than 1/4 of their jobs' kits because they don't like how they look.

[SannaR]

Whatever hests, leves, roulette's are, we're not doing them yet. I'm doing the dungeons/raids or whatever that the MSQ makes me do and thus it's the first time I have been there and likely to fail non obvious mechanics the first time. We also won't be doing these dungeons again for a long time. I just made it through ARR post game slog and have a pile of expacs to catch up on. I am not going to remember that king moogle fight

For veteran players, you have done these dungeons/raids whatever dozens if not hundreds of times. It's not reasonable to expect new players to be close to that level because the Crystal tower may be old hat to you, but to us it's a forced raid we know nothing about. Expecting us to stop everything and read strats during leveling content is a silly demand.

From a new healers perspective? I do try to dps and heal and juggle that but I prioritize healing like 90 to 10 because I have seen tanks just melt so ridiculously fast and have to panic heal them. All the while looking at health bars and orange squares and circles. Now if I had done your dungeon a dozen or so more times, yeah. I would be more effective but expecting that out of the gate is unreasonable

The best thing to do is communicate with your team. Teamwork means more than "here to make your run smoother" You have to remember that Wow refugees are used to toxic runs where being new is worth being kicked for an overgeared replacement. You see a sprout, assume they are keeping quiet because being noticed tends to be negative. Even being generic with the strats can help "Remember, Dracula only bloodsucks of faze three which after he taunts us in bat form and we need to kill his werewolf minions except the grey wolf that's here to help us cause he's Han Velsing in disguise" Doesn't single anyone out and makes your runs smoother

Most of us new players will get better but if we are frustrated and feel unwelcome then we won't be around in the end which may be the goal of this thread in the end for all I know. Placing impediments on players to keep them out of content is an MMO killer. This game has a rep of players being kind to each other but this thread reads suspiciously like a git gud M+ Wow thread.

Who made you read guides for ARR stuff? Also no one remembers how to do Thornmarch. Most of the time no one talks though. How are we to know you're not someone's alt in disguise or that you're not going to berate someone who wants to help give you tips or that during Sophia that those who get the black and white circles around them need to hug their opposite color buddy so that they don't receive a debuff and might give the whole party a semi strong paralyze? A lot of Veterans don't speak up due to them not wanting to be ignored or given the " Thouest doesn't payeth mine sub" or some sort of STFU you elitist asshat I didn't ask for advice or want to know what went wrong on that boss pull.

[MiaShino]

The longer fights take, the more likely a player is to make a mistake that causes a wipe. Be it choosing the wrong healing skill to use by accident for a healer. For a tank mistiming a cooldown. To a DPS not getting out of an AoE on time because they thought they could get one more attack off.

Ohhhhhh my do I feel this one in all the places. Here I am on my white mage, my co-healer has decided casting healing spells is for losers, I suppose. You know true despair when you are down to your last lily, you have raised so many people your mp bar reads 1500 and the entire party including both tanks are low. Lucid dreaming and thin air are on cooldown, all of your ogcd heals have been used.

Do I stop to cast Medica 2 thus depleting most of my remaining MP? Do I expend this final lily on one of the tanks? Should I hold out for the LB3 and use the lily on myself so I survive?

I queued for alliance raids and was planning on warming up and relaxing.. Now I am here in Rabanastre and everyone around me is dead and dying. Alliance's A and B are dead. It is always Crystal Tower but not this time. You fricken bet I was making mistakes by then, my mind was fried.

[Puremallace]

This isn't about being serious. This is about someone that literally uses less than 1/4 of their jobs' kits because they don't like how they look.

Hey guess what I have played for years and NEVER DONE A SINGLE Savage in the current tier. I prefer to keep up the delusion that the 70 pages of this thread does not exist where the FF14 community is not identical to the most toxic aspects of the WoW community.

At some point the people that play this game hardcore need to realize people are used to this idea of GUILDS and statics are the most silly thing we have ever seen. Playing with people who think like you is called a GUILDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD in every single other MMO.

Drop this incredibly dumb outdated concept of statics and just form guilds dedicated to hardcore raiding. Stop trying to get casual players to be like you. You being you is what makes you special. Why would you want to dumb down your own accomplishments?

All I see here is 71 pages of accomplished players yelling at other on how they would make casuals into elite players.

[Seera1024]

Hey guess what I have played for years and NEVER DONE A SINGLE Savage in the current tier. I prefer to keep up the delusion that the 70 pages of this thread does not exist where the FF14 community is not identical to the most toxic aspects of the WoW community.

At some point the people that play this game hardcore need to realize people are used to this idea of GUILDS and statics are the most silly thing we have ever seen. Playing with people who think like you is called a GUILDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD in every single other MMO.

Drop this incredibly dumb outdated concept of statics and just form guilds dedicated to hardcore raiding. Stop trying to get casual players to be like you. You being you is what makes you special. Why would you want to dumb down your own accomplishments?

All I see here is 71 pages of accomplished players yelling at other on how they would make casuals into elite players.

No one's asking for casual players to become elite players.

The thread is mostly about how the game could do better at teaching skills for the game inside of the game. With a little side of trying to get a player and her husband to realize that it's not nice to always force strangers to carry her through content because she only uses the skills she deems cool - which is about 2-3 of them. And then go around and yell at others asking for players to play a different way than they like.

[SannaR]

"Please implement something to teach players how to play"

like a 200+ hour story line filled with mechanics that are a gatekeeper to end game?

stop expecting every new player to be at your level in one pull, i bet you were a new player once getting facepalms too.

I know I wasn't the one you aimed this at, but you wanna know what got said to me when I was fairly new? I and the dps I qued for Amdapoor Keep with once we both were at an ilv where we could make it past the first boss was to not only leave the dungeon, but to delete our characters, to uninstall the game, delete it and oh yeah kill ourselves. Thankfully I'm fairly sure I never saw the tank or other dps ever again. This was back during 2.0 release btw. Somehow I got better. Though I would say those who call me good or even great at healing are nutty and just haven't seen/had better.

I don't expect new players to be at whatever my level is in one pull. Especially in lower level stuff. I do however expect people to use their skills in Mt. Glug+ content. I shouldn't get anyone like the Drg I got in the burn recently that never once used disembowl or only gave themselves their eye once the whole run where I swear went out of their way to get hit by every boss mechanic that only after most of the dungeon was done the healer went hey could you please stop eating everything? I had chosen to stop trying cause why should I? I mean it's totally cool if I don't use skills on bard, right? Since no one for most of the run didn't seem to care about the DRG'S performance. Where they even aoed less than three mobs. I had to force my self not to use songs or my dots. At the end the healer went and said nice 3 man. After you know we wiped a few times on the end boss. Course that boss is fairly easy to wipe.

[Faafetai]

No one's asking for casual players to become elite players.

Wake me up....when September ends

We have tried to say this so many ways, but everyone just comes back to elite casuals and buzz word buzz word random debate about speed running. I miss when everyone was giving some cool ideas, and explaining their frustrations they felt with the pre-existing 'tutorials' aka millions of pop up windows I disabled and told myself I would read those later.