Please implement something to teach players how to play

[Ralph2449]

The experience with duty finder in NA is just a mess, honestly I have gotten a decent amount of nice people, but it truly is a dice roll. For every super fun run with sprouts with no expectations there is another with some weirdo freaking out on people.

That definitely sounds like an NA thing and people coming from WoW or the average western game with 0 moderation where they are allowed to act like that and attack others because unless there's 10 people reporting you, nothing happens to you. Bit worried on how the OCE servers will be once they arrive since i ll be moving there for the better ms.

Unlike most western games though SE seems to actually read reports and act upon them if your report is genuine, if you ever get attacked you should easily be able to report that person just so they dont do the same thing to another person in the future, rules are a little weird as in you apparently can report someone harassing someone else but you could report their emote spam

Imo to see change, you have to change the attitude of THE COMMUNITY, especially the western one and the only way to fix that is to be what they would call "report happy", report bad behavior and slowly more and more people will know there's serious consequences if you attack others unlike most western video games, there has already been complaints from people with bad behavior that SE bans you for the "slightest" thing, as long as people keep reporting and remind people that there's actual moderation in FF14 things could change over time, dont let toxic people free, it might be hard or tiring to have to write another report, but it is the only way such people learn because they are used to the average no consequences western game.

I take toxic elitist over toxic casuals any day of the week. With both might be jerks, atleast the elitist know how to hit buttons so they are easier to ignore.

Trust me, we know, it is quite clear you would prefer to play with people like yourself, after all gamers have historically ignored enormous red flags and terrible behavior if that person knew "how to hit buttons" or was entertaining.

But sorry, some of us have actual standards when it comes to people instead of only caring about video game performance and nothing else.

[SomeRandomHuman]

That is fine in a pug setting. It is up to the players to understand that is the content they are getting into. It is not her place to change because the content still gets done with how she plays. It is design to be done base off bad players.

Just as it's the rest of the group's place to not want someone like her in their group if they so desire.

[Wavaryen]

Just as it's the rest of the group's place to not want someone like her in their group if they so desire.

You have the tools if the group picks to do that. But most of the time the groups don't care as long as it gets done.


So what is the problem?

[SomeRandomHuman]

You have the tools if the group picks to do that. But most of the time the groups don't care as long as it gets done.


So what is the problem?

The fact you seem far too sure you're false pretense is accurate when it isn't. Just because the content can be cleared that way doesn't mean it was intended to. As you love to ignore this: you say anything past the 2 or 3 skills is all you need and the rest is for the "stuff that requires it." Well, when in order to get to this "stuff" you need to first complete these 4 man things in which you have access to the same number of skills or minus a few in the case of 70-79.

So by this simple analysis, the game is very clearly intended for you to use all the actions you have available to you. The fact you may be able to get away by only using 2-3 of them doesn't mean that it's intended you only use the said 2-3.

[Faafetai]

I play on NA servers and have seen very little issues on leveling roulette. I haven't seen a true bad apple in at least a month, but they are definitely out there. The skipping treasure chests is the norm, but usually if you ask the tank they will oblige (but to be honest many tanks may not even know here the chests are since nobody ever goes for them anyway)

AFAIK NIN does later get a skill that lets them cast their hide skills in combat, but I am definitely the sprout that ran out of the NIN fart cloud the first time I saw it thinking it was an enemy AoE

I usually ask just in case and if no one answers and they wanted them there would be no way for me to know. The tank wasn't horrible they explained to doom mechanic, but I am now feeling kind of bad because it never happened due to me and the other dps' stun timing >.< I know where all of the chests are and how to get them because I wanted all of the treasure just to know what they dropped. That gear is pretty good too starting out because you never know what other dungeons people are going to skip chests. I think the tank just wanted the dungeon done honestly, they even skipped the stones which was fine because I wished for xp and not solving the 'puzzle' at the last door give you extra enemies instead of treasure.

The worst AoE though will go to the Smn because Titan's looks like a giant lava circle. How are people suppose to know that particular lava pool is okay to stand inside.

[Seera1024]

You have the tools if the group picks to do that. But most of the time the groups don't care as long as it gets done.


So what is the problem?

The problem is that she and you expect everyone else to change how they play to accommodate her, but get defensive when someone dares ask that she changes how she plays the game.

You ask others to be a team player to get your wife through content, but refuse to be a team player back by making it easier on them.

It would be different if your wife had a disability that made playing the game at her current level the best she can do.

But you've admitted that she chooses what skills to use based on what looks cool.

That's the problem.

You expect others to do what you refuse to do.

[Wavaryen]

The problem is that she and you expect everyone else to change how they play to accommodate her, but get defensive when someone dares ask that she changes how she plays the game.

You ask others to be a team player to get your wife through content, but refuse to be a team player back by making it easier on them.

It would be different if your wife had a disability that made playing the game at her current level the best she can do.

But you've admitted that she chooses what skills to use based on what looks cool.

That's the problem.

You expect others to do what you refuse to do.

No she does not? She does not care how you all play. Just like I don't. Also when I do pugs. I don't ask anything. We are just using each other to try and get content done. Not to be friends. Not to make sure others enjoy the game. She gets the content done playing how she wants.



If you got a group of players that played like her. The content would still get done. Maybe it would take much longer. But as long as it gets done that is all that matters to them. That is what DF is, and what it is design for.

[MiaShino]

For instance, look at endgame dungeons on ARR's release and shortly thereafter, such as pre-nerf Amdapor Keep or Pharos Sirius. Look at dungeons now.

Myself and many friends talk about this lots. Me and my partner were going through the game rather slowly and decided what the heck, let us try the Binding Coil. That whoooole series is fricken intense! There are so many neat levels in there with large winding paths leading up to the boss encounter placated with various hazards of deadliness. Even the trash mobs are deadly! That is just the normal mode.. apparently the Binding Coil normal is considered Savage difficulty?

Speaking of Pharos Sirius or as I am calling it Sirius wipes because every time I get this one in roulette there is at least one wipe. The fire sprites in there are still deadly. They cast a spell called "Banish". If you pull too many of these and no one interrupts Banish it will wipe the group.

Later floors of Palace Of the Dead are most interesting too! If you have never tried doing huuuge chungus pulls on floors 50+ of potd I suggest trying this. You will have twenty things beating on you that all do mechanics. Gaze attacks, multiple tank busters, roomwide sleep spells, abilities that ignore the tank and target random party members.

I would loooooove a dungeon designed with trash mobs like that in it.

I play on NA servers and have seen very little issues on leveling roulette. I haven't seen a true bad apple in at least a month, but they are definitely out there.

We have seen some most awful stuffs and heard stories from poor friends experiencing it. I think our luck is just terrible. ;P

[SomeRandomHuman]

No she does not? She does not care how you all play. Just like I don't. Also when I do pugs. I don't ask anything. We are just using each other to try and get content done. Not to be friends. Not to make sure others enjoy the game. She gets the content done playing how she wants.



If you got a group of players that played like her. The content would still get done. Maybe it would take much longer. But as long as it gets done that is all that matters to them. That is what DF is, and what it is design for.

Except the very idea of intentionally not using half your kit puts that much more work on the rest of the group to make up for a selfish old-lady that refuses to actually play the game. It's a good thing Yotsuyu isn't around anymore. We know how she feels about old people...

[Wavaryen]

Except the very idea of intentionally not using half your kit puts that much more work on the rest of the group to make up for a selfish old-lady that refuses to actually play the game. It's a good thing Yotsuyu isn't around anymore. We know how she feels about old people...

And I must say so what? You got to work harder. (and i would argue that the content so easy I would not consider it work.)

I mean if your time matters so much. I question why are you playing a mmorpg. The way I see it. My wife makes you earn that reward. You all want the content to be tougher right? So have at it lol. And guess what? While doing the content she is having fun and laughing.