Please implement something to teach players how to play

[Wavaryen]

Just as it's the rest of the group's place to not want someone like her in their group if they so desire.

You have the tools if the group picks to do that. But most of the time the groups don't care as long as it gets done.


So what is the problem?

[SomeRandomHuman]

You have the tools if the group picks to do that. But most of the time the groups don't care as long as it gets done.


So what is the problem?

The fact you seem far too sure you're false pretense is accurate when it isn't. Just because the content can be cleared that way doesn't mean it was intended to. As you love to ignore this: you say anything past the 2 or 3 skills is all you need and the rest is for the "stuff that requires it." Well, when in order to get to this "stuff" you need to first complete these 4 man things in which you have access to the same number of skills or minus a few in the case of 70-79.

So by this simple analysis, the game is very clearly intended for you to use all the actions you have available to you. The fact you may be able to get away by only using 2-3 of them doesn't mean that it's intended you only use the said 2-3.

[Seera1024]

You have the tools if the group picks to do that. But most of the time the groups don't care as long as it gets done.


So what is the problem?

The problem is that she and you expect everyone else to change how they play to accommodate her, but get defensive when someone dares ask that she changes how she plays the game.

You ask others to be a team player to get your wife through content, but refuse to be a team player back by making it easier on them.

It would be different if your wife had a disability that made playing the game at her current level the best she can do.

But you've admitted that she chooses what skills to use based on what looks cool.

That's the problem.

You expect others to do what you refuse to do.

[Wavaryen]

The problem is that she and you expect everyone else to change how they play to accommodate her, but get defensive when someone dares ask that she changes how she plays the game.

You ask others to be a team player to get your wife through content, but refuse to be a team player back by making it easier on them.

It would be different if your wife had a disability that made playing the game at her current level the best she can do.

But you've admitted that she chooses what skills to use based on what looks cool.

That's the problem.

You expect others to do what you refuse to do.

No she does not? She does not care how you all play. Just like I don't. Also when I do pugs. I don't ask anything. We are just using each other to try and get content done. Not to be friends. Not to make sure others enjoy the game. She gets the content done playing how she wants.



If you got a group of players that played like her. The content would still get done. Maybe it would take much longer. But as long as it gets done that is all that matters to them. That is what DF is, and what it is design for.

[SomeRandomHuman]

No she does not? She does not care how you all play. Just like I don't. Also when I do pugs. I don't ask anything. We are just using each other to try and get content done. Not to be friends. Not to make sure others enjoy the game. She gets the content done playing how she wants.



If you got a group of players that played like her. The content would still get done. Maybe it would take much longer. But as long as it gets done that is all that matters to them. That is what DF is, and what it is design for.

Except the very idea of intentionally not using half your kit puts that much more work on the rest of the group to make up for a selfish old-lady that refuses to actually play the game. It's a good thing Yotsuyu isn't around anymore. We know how she feels about old people...

[Wavaryen]

Except the very idea of intentionally not using half your kit puts that much more work on the rest of the group to make up for a selfish old-lady that refuses to actually play the game. It's a good thing Yotsuyu isn't around anymore. We know how she feels about old people...

And I must say so what? You got to work harder. (and i would argue that the content so easy I would not consider it work.)

I mean if your time matters so much. I question why are you playing a mmorpg. The way I see it. My wife makes you earn that reward. You all want the content to be tougher right? So have at it lol. And guess what? While doing the content she is having fun and laughing.

[SomeRandomHuman]

And I must say so what? You got to work harder. (and i would argue that the content so easy I would not consider it work.)

I mean if your time matters so much. I question why are you playing a mmorpg. The way I see it. My wife makes you earn that reward. You all want the content to be tougher right? So have at it lol.

I question why someone plays a video game so badly that the pre-programmed AI plays better than them.

It's also not a time thing. It's the genuine refusal to play on a remotely acceptable level and how everyone else is collateral because they're that self-centered.

Why should I do the work of 2 people? Why should the other 3 people pick up the slack of the 1? Being disabled or new is one thing. Being this incompetent and refusing to fix that problem is a whole different story.

I'd rather replace her with a trust companion in DF since they'd do more damage then she ever would if you're to be believed.

[MiaShino]

The longer fights take, the more likely a player is to make a mistake that causes a wipe. Be it choosing the wrong healing skill to use by accident for a healer. For a tank mistiming a cooldown. To a DPS not getting out of an AoE on time because they thought they could get one more attack off.

Ohhhhhh my do I feel this one in all the places. Here I am on my white mage, my co-healer has decided casting healing spells is for losers, I suppose. You know true despair when you are down to your last lily, you have raised so many people your mp bar reads 1500 and the entire party including both tanks are low. Lucid dreaming and thin air are on cooldown, all of your ogcd heals have been used.

Do I stop to cast Medica 2 thus depleting most of my remaining MP? Do I expend this final lily on one of the tanks? Should I hold out for the LB3 and use the lily on myself so I survive?

I queued for alliance raids and was planning on warming up and relaxing.. Now I am here in Rabanastre and everyone around me is dead and dying. Alliance's A and B are dead. It is always Crystal Tower but not this time. You fricken bet I was making mistakes by then, my mind was fried.

[Seera1024]

No she does not? She does not care how you all play. Just like I don't. Also when I do pugs. I don't ask anything. We are just using each other to try and get content done. Not to be friends. Not to make sure others enjoy the game. She gets the content done playing how she wants.



If you got a group of players that played like her. The content would still get done. Maybe it would take much longer. But as long as it gets done that is all that matters to them. That is what DF is, and what it is design for.

She may not literally come out and say it, but the fact that she doesn't use all of her skills, means she's implying it.

The longer fights take, the more likely a player is to make a mistake that causes a wipe. Be it choosing the wrong healing skill to use by accident for a healer. For a tank mistiming a cooldown. To a DPS not getting out of an AoE on time because they thought they could get one more attack off.

By your wife not using all of her skills, means that the average fight time is longer. Meaning a higher chance of a wipe.

Not to mention some duties have DPS checks in them that if they are failed, cause a wipe.

Your wife not using all of her skills, means a higher chance of a wipe unless the other players are performing well enough.

And what if one of the other players in the group wanted to be able to just do a relaxed run and not worry about performing their rotation perfectly?

Depending on group composition and skill level, that player wanting a more relaxed run may have to do a more tight run in order to get the group through the content.

Which is why I suggested she compromise and use more of her skills in 4 man dungeons where her lower DPS matters has the greater impact. Because then she's not always asking others to play to her preferred style. Not saying she needs to use all of her skills. Just to use more of her skills.