Please implement something to teach players how to play

[Faafetai]

Firstly I love how elitists have equated "playing decently" as "decent human beings" which is a very different thing and has very little to do with how one plays a video game, but I shouldnt be surprised since historically certain gamers were happy to ignore slurs and other forms of bad behavior if the person "played well" or was entertaining.
Again you might need to start using different words because the ones you are using do not fit the situation unless you are specifically trying to tie game performance tosomeone's decency as a human being which is very underhanded and ugly.

Secondly I am honestly wondering how coddled can people with expectations like yours be, like, have they interacted with the real world outside of their family? This unrealistic expectation that defies reality screams that the person saying that must be incredibly out of touch with the real world to expect something as asinine as "everyone be like me and play like me", honestly it is mind boggling how coddled some people seem to be to have developed such expectations, that is not how the real world works and never will, learn to adapt, which I know can be an extremely hard task for people who follow guides xD

No I legitimately mean decent human being. Not treating a fellow human at the other end of the computer screen or tv in a video game like they are worthless or someone to use to complete something as fast as they can to get to the next thing. Read the whole of the argument I have been debating or any of it before you mince words. I never once said anything about wishing people to play like me. I have said I can't play well. I can't carry people as much as I would want to help a group of sprouts through a dungeon. I honestly expected better from you after reading some of your other posts, but you seem to be very glued to find posts reading one word and interpreting them in the most elitist way you could possibly post.

My post was to note that some of the people not pushing their buttons would be considered toxic elitists, expecting everything handed to them yesterday they may also be toxic casual but the terms are shallow and not one term could derive a description for someone who is simply a jerk. It just so happened that the toxic elitist was also a toxic casual. It was ironic because this thread has a bunch of people being called one or the other, but either are true or exclusive. Maybe you wish for a political stance so you could further put people into your narrow view of reality.

I don't like seeing people treated poorly for no good reason in a game that touts its 'great community' it seems the term gcbtw is quite true.

[Ralph2449]

No I legitimately mean decent human being. Not treating a fellow human at the other end of the computer screen or tv in a video game like they are worthless or someone to use to complete something as fast as they can to get to the next thing. Read the whole of the argument I have been debating or any of it before you mince words. I never once said anything about wishing people to play like me. I have said I can't play well. I can't carry people as much as I would want to help a group of sprouts through a dungeon. I honestly expected better from you after reading some of your other posts, but you seem to be very glued to find posts reading one word and interpreting them in the most elitist way you could possibly post.

My post was to note that some of the people not pushing their buttons would be considered toxic elitists, expecting everything handed to them yesterday they may also be toxic casual but the terms are shallow and not one term could derive a description for someone who is simply a jerk. It just so happened that the toxic elitist was also a toxic casual. It was ironic because this thread has a bunch of people being called one or the other, but either are true or exclusive. Maybe you wish for a political stance so you could further put people into your narrow view of reality.

I don't like seeing people treated poorly for no good reason in a game that touts its 'great community' it seems the term gcbtw is quite true.

Ok that would be my mistake then because I assumed you were attempting to connect player performance to being a "decent human being" which is something really wrong and ugly but wouldnt be surprised if certain gamers would attempt it.

Again though I will stand by my point that having such expectations from people is ridiculous, like you might wish for everyone to be nice and friendly and positive but sadly that will never be a thing, at least not at this day and age so having such expectations is silly because they will only get crushed repeatedly, you can be nice yourself and try to promote it but you cannot have such expectations because they are simply not realistic.


I can understand that you dont like it and especially the gcbtw but it honestly feels the worst people are often in the forums, my ingame experience though I am in JP DC has been incredibly positive, I think i ve only run once to an angry elitist who was insulting and literally spamming /spit on someone for not attacking adds in SHIVA NORMAL which can literally be beaten with 2-3 dps dead so him obsessing over adds was moronic, which is something i instantly reported and thankfully his emote spam made it reportable by me as well.

Most people's ingame experience seems to be extremely positive which can make people feel like it is a great community, only once you come into the forums or start going into high end groups you start seeing this massive amount of tryhard elitists attacking others and whining about how their runs are less efficient, something that a big part of the community never really sees which makes the great community thing kinda true for them.

[Faafetai]

Ok that would be my mistake then because I assumed you were attempting to connect player performance to being a "decent human being" which is something really wrong and ugly but wouldnt be surprised if certain gamers would attempt it.

Again though I will stand by my point that having such expectations from people is ridiculous, like you might wish for everyone to be nice and friendly and positive but sadly that will never be a thing, at least not at this day and age so having such expectations is silly because they will only get crushed repeatedly, you can be nice yourself and try to promote it but you cannot have such expectations because they are simply not realistic.


I can understand that you dont like it and especially the gcbtw but it honestly feels the worst people are often in the forums, my ingame experience though I am in JP DC has been incredibly positive, I think i ve only run once to an angry elitist who was insulting and literally spamming /spit on someone for not attacking adds in SHIVA NORMAL which can literally be beaten with 2-3 dps dead so him obsessing over adds was moronic, which is something i instantly reported and thankfully his emote spam made it reportable by me as well.

Most people's ingame experience seems to be extremely positive which can make people feel like it is a great community, only once you come into the forums or start going into high end groups you start seeing this massive amount of tryhard elitists attacking others and whining about how their runs are less efficient, something that a big part of the community never really sees which makes the great community thing kinda true for them.

The experience with duty finder in NA is just a mess, honestly I have gotten a decent amount of nice people, but it truly is a dice roll. For every super fun run with sprouts with no expectations there is another with some weirdo freaking out on people. Then there is the person I had in Qarn who just skipped all of the loot when the sprout was there for the first time. I think leveling a dps is cursed. I just wished to level dps so I knew what to expect when going into content. I wished to know what the ground aoes dps put down so I do not mistaken it for an enemies. What other classes may be viewing from their portion of the battle field. What mechanics they have within their class such as ninja's needed to refresh their pinwheel and not to chain pull because you can not become hidden during combat like in other games I have played that had separate skills for being able to hide in combat. Maybe NA data centers themselves are cursed. I just wish to relax, and not get into something every other time with someone with a bad attitude. I honestly thought it was a meme about people blaming healers too, a tank actually blamed the healer for their death in sleepy snowcloak.

[Broken_Wind]

The experience with duty finder in NA is just a mess, honestly I have gotten a decent amount of nice people, but it truly is a dice roll. For every super fun run with sprouts with no expectations there is another with some weirdo freaking out on people. Then there is the person I had in Qarn who just skipped all of the loot when the sprout was there for the first time. I think leveling a dps is cursed. I just wished to level dps so I knew what to expect when going into content. I wished to know what the ground aoes dps put down so I do not mistaken it for an enemies. What other classes may be viewing from their portion of the battle field. What mechanics they have within their class such as ninja's needed to refresh their pinwheel and not to chain pull because you can not become hidden during combat like in other games I have played that had separate skills for being able to hide in combat. Maybe NA data centers themselves are cursed. I just wish to relax, and not get into something every other time with someone with a bad attitude. I honestly thought it was a meme about people blaming healers too, a tank actually blamed the healer for their death in sleepy snowcloak.

I play on NA servers and have seen very little issues on leveling roulette. I haven't seen a true bad apple in at least a month, but they are definitely out there. The skipping treasure chests is the norm, but usually if you ask the tank they will oblige (but to be honest many tanks may not even know here the chests are since nobody ever goes for them anyway)

AFAIK NIN does later get a skill that lets them cast their hide skills in combat, but I am definitely the sprout that ran out of the NIN fart cloud the first time I saw it thinking it was an enemy AoE

[Faafetai]

I play on NA servers and have seen very little issues on leveling roulette. I haven't seen a true bad apple in at least a month, but they are definitely out there. The skipping treasure chests is the norm, but usually if you ask the tank they will oblige (but to be honest many tanks may not even know here the chests are since nobody ever goes for them anyway)

AFAIK NIN does later get a skill that lets them cast their hide skills in combat, but I am definitely the sprout that ran out of the NIN fart cloud the first time I saw it thinking it was an enemy AoE

I usually ask just in case and if no one answers and they wanted them there would be no way for me to know. The tank wasn't horrible they explained to doom mechanic, but I am now feeling kind of bad because it never happened due to me and the other dps' stun timing >.< I know where all of the chests are and how to get them because I wanted all of the treasure just to know what they dropped. That gear is pretty good too starting out because you never know what other dungeons people are going to skip chests. I think the tank just wanted the dungeon done honestly, they even skipped the stones which was fine because I wished for xp and not solving the 'puzzle' at the last door give you extra enemies instead of treasure.

The worst AoE though will go to the Smn because Titan's looks like a giant lava circle. How are people suppose to know that particular lava pool is okay to stand inside.

[Ralph2449]

The experience with duty finder in NA is just a mess, honestly I have gotten a decent amount of nice people, but it truly is a dice roll. For every super fun run with sprouts with no expectations there is another with some weirdo freaking out on people.

That definitely sounds like an NA thing and people coming from WoW or the average western game with 0 moderation where they are allowed to act like that and attack others because unless there's 10 people reporting you, nothing happens to you. Bit worried on how the OCE servers will be once they arrive since i ll be moving there for the better ms.

Unlike most western games though SE seems to actually read reports and act upon them if your report is genuine, if you ever get attacked you should easily be able to report that person just so they dont do the same thing to another person in the future, rules are a little weird as in you apparently can report someone harassing someone else but you could report their emote spam

Imo to see change, you have to change the attitude of THE COMMUNITY, especially the western one and the only way to fix that is to be what they would call "report happy", report bad behavior and slowly more and more people will know there's serious consequences if you attack others unlike most western video games, there has already been complaints from people with bad behavior that SE bans you for the "slightest" thing, as long as people keep reporting and remind people that there's actual moderation in FF14 things could change over time, dont let toxic people free, it might be hard or tiring to have to write another report, but it is the only way such people learn because they are used to the average no consequences western game.

I take toxic elitist over toxic casuals any day of the week. With both might be jerks, atleast the elitist know how to hit buttons so they are easier to ignore.

Trust me, we know, it is quite clear you would prefer to play with people like yourself, after all gamers have historically ignored enormous red flags and terrible behavior if that person knew "how to hit buttons" or was entertaining.

But sorry, some of us have actual standards when it comes to people instead of only caring about video game performance and nothing else.

[MiaShino]

For instance, look at endgame dungeons on ARR's release and shortly thereafter, such as pre-nerf Amdapor Keep or Pharos Sirius. Look at dungeons now.

Myself and many friends talk about this lots. Me and my partner were going through the game rather slowly and decided what the heck, let us try the Binding Coil. That whoooole series is fricken intense! There are so many neat levels in there with large winding paths leading up to the boss encounter placated with various hazards of deadliness. Even the trash mobs are deadly! That is just the normal mode.. apparently the Binding Coil normal is considered Savage difficulty?

Speaking of Pharos Sirius or as I am calling it Sirius wipes because every time I get this one in roulette there is at least one wipe. The fire sprites in there are still deadly. They cast a spell called "Banish". If you pull too many of these and no one interrupts Banish it will wipe the group.

Later floors of Palace Of the Dead are most interesting too! If you have never tried doing huuuge chungus pulls on floors 50+ of potd I suggest trying this. You will have twenty things beating on you that all do mechanics. Gaze attacks, multiple tank busters, roomwide sleep spells, abilities that ignore the tank and target random party members.

I would loooooove a dungeon designed with trash mobs like that in it.

I play on NA servers and have seen very little issues on leveling roulette. I haven't seen a true bad apple in at least a month, but they are definitely out there.

We have seen some most awful stuffs and heard stories from poor friends experiencing it. I think our luck is just terrible. ;P