Please implement something to teach players how to play

[Rinhi]

PFfffffffff my poor tummy! Many thanks that made me laugh much harder than it should.

Have you seen their fricken Twitter? By the twelve..

no no, I'd rather not, seeing them trying their hardest to seem like the nice guys in the discussion but just digging themselves deeper with their entitlement is enough - and that show of sexism was a big big yikes, but I'm "sure" he's changed since then...

No it is up to other players to be decent human beings. I said ad nauseam that you seem to skip over that I do not care if content takes longer or that the group fails. You can repeat that line of dialogue over and over again but it will never be true. I can accept it will not always go well, I can accept people being rude. It just blows my mind a game that has a duty finder has people like you in them.

that's how they argue, they just skip over parts they don't have an answer to and try to move goalposts as soon as possible, as seen throughout this whole thread (and a similar one a while ago where it was a very similar topic and their posts were almost exactly the same, 60 year old granny that doesn't know what DoTs are included - though... have you two never tried to explain DoTs to her, shown her how they work?!)

others from that "camp" argue the same way, too, which is where those clone comments from miashino are coming from, I guess?
always with the exaggeration, unnecessary hyperbole posted like a fact etc..
also look how some of them conveniently don't respond to people because they don't fit into that "elitist raider" image they've put up rent free in their head

[Wavaryen]

no no, I'd rather not, seeing them trying their hardest to seem like the nice guys in the discussion but just digging themselves deeper with their entitlement is enough - and that show of sexism was a big big yikes, but I'm "sure" he's changed since then...




that's how they argue, they just skip over parts they don't have an answer to and try to move goalposts as soon as possible, as seen throughout this whole thread (and a similar one a while ago where it was a very similar topic and their posts were almost exactly the same, 60 year old granny that doesn't know what DoTs are included - though... have you two never tried to explain DoTs to her, shown her how they work?!)

others from that "camp" argue the same way, too, which is where those clone comments from miashino are coming from, I guess?
always with the exaggeration, unnecessary hyperbole posted like a fact etc..

what type of loser would I be if I did not defend my wife from being called every name in the book because the cult of players at the time did not want to see how bad the CS was and the community had issues?


You all making my point for me. I debunked everything you all said. Gave ideas on how to get what you want, and now you show something out of context many years ago, not showing the people in that thread personal attacks and breaking the rules of the forum getting away with it.


I shall use the line I used many years ago. Putting people in place.

[Miracle_Diva]

DF is not a Linkshell. Pugs are not part of your guild/ls or whatever. The people in it, don't have to care, should not have to care about your feelings.

Exactly why no one cares about feelings of toxic casuals who get kicked from groups for being lazy and being a burden for everyone.

[Wavaryen]

Exactly why no one cares about feelings of toxic casuals who get kicked from groups for being lazy and being a burden for everyone.

and that is fine with me. They don't have a right to complain about that.

[Rinhi]

DF is not a Linkshell. Pugs are not part of your guild/ls or whatever. The people in it, don't have to care, should not have to care about your feelings. It is not his or her place to do it. You can build a community for that, but it has no place in a pug setting. It is your job to handle your own fun, and if dealing with these types of people ruins your fun. Than don't do that content.

why don't you make use of your own advice and make some friends that would run duty roulette with you and your skill-impaired wife? that way, there's no danger of her being kicked and all of you could take all the time in the world to whatever content you want to do! you do have a guild and friends that do that, right?
actually that begs the question, if it's such a social game for you two, why would either of you use DF if you've got so many social contacts? wouldn't it make more sense for you to do it with friends since you can continue to shoot the shit inside said dungeon, instead of, say, having to interrupt a talk because the queue popped?

[Faafetai]

I don't understand how being decent has anything to do with a game setting, or people caring about your fun in a pug.

It is not just my fun, I am not the only one having these experiences. Expected to carry a team that I physically can not carry. People have disabilities, 'It is just a game' what about those who do not have people they could play with, they enter duty finder expected to carry people who just don't care or don't know how to push buttons. No matter how hard they play they can't complete a duty not due to their own shortcomings or the disability, but because someone #doesn't like X ability. I guess I really shouldn't expect anyone to be allowed to have fun in a video game. I can't expect people to actually do the bare minimum. I am expected to carry, or leave. Why would anyone want to play a game no one wants to play? Why would I expect people to play a video game to actually play the video game.

[Nethereal]

Oh are they gonna complain too if they get beaten in an RTS video game because "they want to have fun, they dont want to THINK"? Thinking is part of many games, mmoRPGs included.

If all they want to do is have brainless fun without thinking they should be playing some simple game where you spam 1 button to kill things and feel STRONK.

Mmorpgs were always about choosing builds of your preferred playstyle and thinking of how to use your comb's advantages to beat an encounter, if gamers these days has such a hard time thinking how to solve problems and think they can facesmash their way through everything by reading a guide, then it sounds like THE COMMUNITY is the one at fault just like i said.

MMORPGs and many other games are not designed for the "me spam 1 button, me crash enemies" crowd but sadly big games attract people who have no interest in the design of said game just so they can be part of the "popular" thing.

Actually a good post.

[Ralph2449]

No it is up to other players to be decent human beings.

Firstly I love how elitists have equated "playing decently" as "decent human beings" which is a very different thing and has very little to do with how one plays a video game, but I shouldnt be surprised since historically certain gamers were happy to ignore slurs and other forms of bad behavior if the person "played well" or was entertaining.
Again you might need to start using different words because the ones you are using do not fit the situation unless you are specifically trying to tie game performance tosomeone's decency as a human being which is very underhanded and ugly.

Secondly I am honestly wondering how coddled can people with expectations like yours be, like, have they interacted with the real world outside of their family? This unrealistic expectation that defies reality screams that the person saying that must be incredibly out of touch with the real world to expect something as asinine as "everyone be like me and play like me", honestly it is mind boggling how coddled some people seem to be to have developed such expectations, that is not how the real world works and never will, learn to adapt, which I know can be an extremely hard task for people who follow guides xD

[Arkevorkhat]

Some people play this game casually, hate to break it to you. Not everyone is going to be up to the same speed as you with the game.

On the other side of this, these new players aren't being given the support they would need to be able to improve even if they wanted to. Forcing people into a mandatory tutorial won't fix the problem, but fixing the existing tutorial to teach more about each role's play pattern would. Quite simply, I think Hall of the Novice should have tutorials available running all the way up to the level cap. Still giving the Brand New Ring at the end of the "Basic Training" arc, but really, there needs to be more.

As it is right now, the only sources for reliable, easily accessed information are third party websites run by one particular discord community, you know which one.

[Rinhi]

what type of loser would I be if I did not defend my wife from being called every name in the book because the cult of players at the time did not want to see how bad the CS was and the community had issues?


You all making my point for me. I debunked everything you all said. Gave ideas on how to get what you want, and now you show something out of context many years ago, not showing the people in that thread personal attacks and breaking the rules of the forum getting away with it.


I shall use the line I used many years ago. Putting people in place.

still waiting for any points that people made to be debunked by you because that never happened, but I guess your narcissistic entitlement thinks you did
you can defend your wife without being a sexist pos, but I'm sure you're aware of that

Actually a good post.

can't believe he's agreeing with us :O