Please implement something to teach players how to play

[Rinhi]

Annnnnnd just like that, the magic is gone. Just when we were almost beginning to have a productive discussion too, darn.

Oh well, perhaps in several hours the discussion can begin anew.

you're sadly right, the most entitled clowns woke up and are at it to call everyone that doesn't cater to their "playstyle" as toxic elitist individuals

guess what, big furball? I've never set foot into a single savage fight and I've only completed a single extreme, the easiest one, and you still call someone like me, someone plays this game casually when he's bored and has no intention to be a hardcore raider, a toxic elitist because I want players to play better?
who or what hurt you? what happened that you hate everyone you deem as better as you as a toxic, elitist raider? are you projecting personal problems onto an easy to project onto group of players because the "uwu ur valid" can't stand people who want those players to play better?
your obsession with perceived elitism is genuinely concerning and not healthy at all

[Faafetai]

It speaks to their feeling of entitlement, anyone with a functioning brain knows to never ever have high expectations of pugged groups in any game, the possibility of a slower run is always possible, but these people somehow have not only managed to have this ridiculous expectation that defies reality, they also feel ENTITLED to it lol.

I expect people to be decent human beings.

[Seera1024]

It speaks to their feeling of entitlement, anyone with a functioning brain knows to never ever have high expectations of pugged groups in any game, the possibility of a slower run is always possible, but these people somehow have not only managed to have this ridiculous expectation that defies reality, they also feel ENTITLED to it lol.

I expect players in pugged content to be team players.

Not to get harassed for my mistakes by the toxic elitist.

Not for my run to take twice as long as the average run because a member of the party decides they don't want to use all of their skills because they don't look cool.

I don't expect perfection and if it's a post-50 dungeon and a handful of the pre-50 dungeons, I go in expecting there might be a wipe or two.

Now, I don't mind a run taking an abnormally long time due to a player who is trying to get better actively learning and getting better. I'd even accept not completing the content in that case. Because the time was well spent teaching another player how to play their class and the game.

But if we're constantly wiping and the party is asked to perform a little better and a response back is "Sorry, I only use these 2 skills because they look cool. I don't use my high DPS skills because they don't look cool." then I'm not fine with that and that player shouldn't be either. Because they're not being a team player. I'd be against any toxic elitist in the group jumping down their throats for it, because there's a better way to get a player to compromise than attacking them. Because attacking a player is likely going to get them to double down on whatever it is you're asking them to change. They'll be less likely to compromise.

[MiaShino]

Ugh.. and of course Ralph returns to grace the discussion with their interesting ideas.

People like this is the problem and why people think you are elitist. You can't even disagree without throwing a hissy fit. You also openly admit you are trolling people who don't agree with you.

The heck are you even on about? You can read can you not? But you know what, a cursory Google search told me all I ever wished to know.. perhaps too much.

Is this you? It looks like you. https://i.imgur.com/JKDrTtH.png

Niiiiice, sexist too what a peach.

You can sit there and pretend to be suuuuuch a nice person cantcha. Get some help you really really need it. You and your wife with the same fricken name on forum after forum after forum acting like spoiled children.

I do not have to strawman you or engage you in anything. I am not your wife, I gain nothing from this idiot slapping contest and was willing to ignore this or allow sleeping dogs to lay. You keep pushing buttons though, keeeeeep on pushing. Maybe others will finally ignore these narcissistic troglodytes so we can resume speaking as adults.

"Hissy fit" is a vast understatement.

[Wavaryen]

The key word here is HAVING FUN. It is not fun to be berated within a mandatory Trial I waited 30 minutes to get into for the first time. The ice mage/black mage was being a jerk to the party of people who were new to the duty because of not passing a dps check that they themselves were contributing to with their low debuffed ice skills, after they died more times than I could count. They were the one flaming the party, no one knew how to vote kick I literally never had to do it before and no time to look it up due to rapid pull 'main tank' who was playing red light green light with their stance.

There is a huge difference in completing content slowly and actually being able to have fun and completing the content. COMPLETE THE CONTENT. I already know you are going to say build your own social network or something about the social balance of the duty finder like some weird guru. What is the point of duty finder? Not everyone wishes to build a social network. There may not even be people to enter into a party in party finder. It is a story trial why can't people pass a story trial?

I am not there for my first time to take over for the 'main tank' which I did because the healers were getting beat on because I didn't notice the main tank was assuming their stance was a ogcd or something, and carry an idiot black mage so he can get his trial roulette reward. He clearly 'I've cleared extreme a hundred time' he was not new just doing things his way. No problem, at least I got the clear right? Should have built that social network. What I should have done was wait till endwalker so I could play shadowbringers content without the need for a party after grinding to level 90.

It is not up to the other players to care about what is fun for you. You are right when I said build a social network that allows you to do that. In a pug setting you are not entitle to the rewards, and to force players to care about you or your fun. It has nothing to do with being a decent person. It is a game, and if you can't accept that sometimes you will get a group that fails, or a group that does the content longer. That is on you, not anyone else.

[Rinhi]

I expect players in pugged content to be team players.

Not to get harassed for my mistakes by the toxic elitist.

Not for my run to take twice as long as the average run because a member of the party decides they don't want to use all of their skills because they don't look cool.

I don't expect perfection and if it's a post-50 dungeon and a handful of the pre-50 dungeons, I go in expecting there might be a wipe or two.

Now, I don't mind a run taking an abnormally long time due to a player who is trying to get better actively learning and getting better. I'd even accept not completing the content in that case. Because the time was well spent teaching another player how to play their class and the game.

But if we're constantly wiping and the party is asked to perform a little better and a response back is "Sorry, I only use these 2 skills because they look cool. I don't use my high DPS skills because they don't look cool." then I'm not fine with that and that player shouldn't be either. Because they're not being a team player. I'd be against any toxic elitist in the group jumping down their throats for it, because there's a better way to get a player to compromise than attacking them. Because attacking a player is likely going to get them to double down on whatever it is you're asking them to change. They'll be less likely to compromise.

and those toxic elitists are, like, how many? if we say 5% of the playerbase are the toxic casuals who don't use 90% of their kit for whatever reason, then those toxic elitists are around...? 1% 0.5%?

[Jojoya]

Ion himself repeatedly talks about how players are meant to THINK and make decisions, instead a majority of WoW players never think and brainlessly follow guides which is why they fail so much at some points because guides cannot cover the entirety of the game and all its possible situations.

Another good example of how Ion doesn't understand what the average player wants.

They're not playing the game to THINK. Most people have to spend way too much of their day thinking at their job or at school.

They're playing the game to HAVE FUN. If you're engineering the system to be complex and requiring thought instead of simple so it's intuitive, you've removed fun from the equation and turned the game into a second job.

[Rinhi]

Ugh.. and of course Ralph returns to grace the discussion with their interesting ideas.



The heck are you even on about? You can read can you not? But you know what, a cursory Google search told me all I ever wished to know.. perhaps too much.

Is this you? It looks like you. https://i.imgur.com/JKDrTtH.png

Niiiiice, sexist too what a peach.

You can sit there and pretend to be suuuuuch a nice person cantcha. Get some help you really really need it. You and your wife with the same fricken name on forum after forum after forum acting like spoiled children.

I do not have to strawman you or engage you in anything. I am not your wife, I gain nothing from this idiot slapping contest and was willing to ignore this or allow sleeping dogs to lay. You keep pushing buttons though, keeeeeep on pushing. Maybe others will finally ignore these narcissistic troglodytes so we can resume speaking as adults.

"Hissy fit" is a vast understatement.

"nice fake screenshot"
"it's been years ago lol"

[Seera1024]

and those toxic elitists are, like, how many? if we say 5% of the playerbase are the toxic casuals who don't use 90% of their kit for whatever reason, then those toxic elitists are around...? 1% 0.5%?

How many of each there are in the game percentage wise is irrelevant to my point.

Players should be team players when entering multiplayer content. No matter which side of the coin a player is on.

That's my point.

[Miracle_Diva]

They're not playing the game to THINK. Most people have to spend way too much of their day thinking at their job or at school.

They're playing the game to HAVE FUN. If you're engineering the system to be complex and requiring thought instead of simple so it's intuitive, you've removed fun from the equation and turned the game into a second job.

I bet, you didn't think before you wrote this. Probably because thinking isn't fun.